Peterborough Panthers 2023

[Fromafar 10,375]

In previous case regarding getting planning permissions,think you will find the Companies prefer to get the site redundant too strengthen their case.IMO

[SPEEDY69 1,260]

2 hours ago, Sully said:

You would think a dormant site taking in no income wouldn’t be particularly favourable to the existing owners but then I still struggle to understand why they’ve put a stop to all shows at the showground that would generate an income while they are trying to get their plans through. Their expectation that building would start this year was baffling. They can’t be that stupid or naive surely?

 

6 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

In previous case regarding getting planning permissions,think you will find the Companies prefer to get the site redundant too strengthen their case.IMO

Yes, as happened at Coventry which has been deliberately left to rot for about 7 years now. 

[GeneralMelchett 482]

7 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said:

 

Yes, as happened at Coventry which has been deliberately left to rot for about 7 years now. 

yes and Lakeside (Arena Essex) since winter 2018!

[scoobydoo 2,254]

Looks like Ritchie Worrall's season maybe over as it seems hes allegedly failed a drugs/alcohol test at Plymouth tonight

Edited September 5, 2023 by scoobydoo

[Bald Bloke 3,287]

16 hours ago, scoobydoo said:

Looks like Ritchie Worrall's season maybe over as it seems hes allegedly failed a drugs/alcohol test at Plymouth tonight

Well If he has it will be.. Maybe 6 months if it was a med mix up, if not i guess its 2 years?

Edited September 6, 2023 by Bald Bloke

[Crump99 4,476]

15 hours ago, Fromafar said:

In previous case regarding getting planning permissions,think you will find the Companies prefer to get the site redundant too strengthen their case.IMO

As helpfully pointed out by Old Nutter, I think that there are questions to be potentially asked and answered on those issues:

The revised National Planning Policy Framework (NPPF) sets out government's planning policies for England and how these are expected to be applied.

Conserving and enhancing the historic environment - Paragraph196. Where there is evidence of deliberate neglect of, or damage to, a heritage asset, the deteriorated state of the heritage asset should not be taken into account in any decision. - this relates to AEPG claiming that Peterborough Speedway is no longer fit for purpose if it isn't used due to bad faith negotiations, or lack of, and they don't maintain the perfectly working operation that was handed over at the end of the 2023 season/contract?

Promoting healthy and safe communities - Paragraph 99. Existing open space, sports and recreational buildings and land, including playing fields, should not be built on unless: - this seems to be the same as LP30 which is just reworded in the Peterborough Local Plan.

(a) an assessment has been undertaken which has clearly shown the open space, buildings or land to be surplus to requirements; or

(b) the loss resulting from the proposed development would be replaced by equivalent or better provision in terms of quantity and quality in a suitable location; or

(c) the development is for alternative sports and recreational provision, the benefits of which clearly outweigh the loss of the current or former use.

Definitions of terms used within heritage protection legislation and documents. https://historicengland.org.uk/advice/hpg/hpr-definitions/#cat_E

 

Edited September 6, 2023 by Crump99

[Chris 441]

15 hours ago, Fromafar said:

In previous case regarding getting planning permissions,think you will find the Companies prefer to get the site redundant too strengthen their case.IMO

Wouldn't be a surprise if they took the stand down and all the associated buildings within a short time of the last meeting taking place. They'll then let the area turn into an overgrown jungle until they get planning permission eventually. A disgrace but have seen this all before.

[Crump99 4,476]

21 minutes ago, Chris said:

Wouldn't be a surprise if they took the stand down and all the associated buildings within a short time of the last meeting taking place. They'll then let the area turn into an overgrown jungle until they get planning permission eventually. A disgrace but have seen this all before.

Usually though nobody is watching and the resistance is minimal. Everyone is aware of what's going on here though, it's high profile and already getting significant local publicity and people will be watching.

If it can be argued that the site and/or speedway is a heritage asset then the NPPF points in my previous post should certainly scupper the AEPG planning application.

 

Edited September 6, 2023 by Crump99

[Flappy 1,605]

Next step will be them offering use of the showground at an extortionate amount per meeting. Can see it a mile off 

[StarBoy 165]

11 minutes ago, Flappy said:

Next step will be them offering use of the showground at an extortionate amount per meeting. Can see it a mile off 

They already have, haven't they? Seen it quoted in this thread somewhere of £7k rent per meeting.

[Crump99 4,476]

6 hours ago, StarBoy said:

They already have, haven't they? Seen it quoted in this thread somewhere of £7k rent per meeting.

It's a bit mixed. We are told that that AEPG wouldn't negotiate on Panthers 2024 and beyond yet they say that that they have negotiated with the club's owner?

Because we're basically a stand-alone operation now at the EoES and the site is now underused and badly maintained, AEPG/EEAS (whoever pays the bills?) are allegedly not prepared to subsidise this existing culture, leisure, tourism and community heritage asset, if they ever did,  and allegedly they want to charge a break even rent (which is where the 7k figure came from, although whether accurate, who knows?) for Peterborough Speedway which one assumes is a fantasy figure the club couldn't entertain?

AEPG would hope IMO that that then helps them in some way to agree with LP30 k. The facility is demonstrably no longer fit for purpose and the site is not viable to be redeveloped for a new community facility;

Edited September 6, 2023 by Crump99

[Flappy 1,605]

59 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

It's a bit mixed. We are told that that AEPG wouldn't negotiate on Panthers 2024 and beyond yet they say that that they have negotiated with the club's owner?

Because we're basically a stand-alone operation now at the EoES and the site is now underused and badly maintained. AEPG/EEAS (whoever pays the bills?) are allegedly not prepared to subsidise this existing culture, leisure, tourism and community heritage asset, if they ever did,  and allegedly they want to charge a break even rent (which is where the 7k figure came from, although whether accurate, who knows?) for Peterborough Speedway which one assumes is a fantasy figure the club couldn't entertain?

AEPG would hope IMO that that then helps them in some way to agree with LP30 k. The facility is demonstrably no longer fit for purpose and the site is not viable to be redeveloped for a new community facility;

Exactly there's no denying we need a new venue but there's no reason we can't be there for at least another 2 seasons 

[Chris116 756]

I hope the local fire service is very close as I can foresee a series of unexplained fires in the future!

[Crump99 4,476]

1 hour ago, Flappy said:

Exactly there's no denying we need a new venue but there's no reason we can't be there for at least another 2 seasons 

And more:

The first AEPG planning document outlines the construction of up to 650 homes, ie: Land A (part of the current local plan). The Peterborough Local Plan for 2016-2036 says that 650 homes on the Showground is an acceptable number; though building works might take a decade and this is subject to LP36 & LP30

And that's before their 850 AEPG application that appears nowhere, totally confuses the issue and would have a similar timescale at best.

The current local plan, which was adopted in 2019, covers development in Peterborough up until 2036. However, national policy is for this to be updated every five years and that review in now underway by PCC. The process would take approximately three years with several public consultations included and that's the only time that we should see that 850 application. I see no reason why Peterborough Speedway cannot continue at the EoES for many seasons, or indeed permanently (now there's a curveball!).

 

 

Edited September 6, 2023 by Crump99

[Deano 1,318]

Is there anyway the speedway facility could be protected by fans on a voluntary basis? While awaiting planning of the EOS, and while lying dormant.
 

It’s always speedway fans that suffer in these instances. Somehow (even when they are legally obliged to), we can’t expect the developers to protect it.

Tell the developers fans can wait the long game too if needed.

Edited September 6, 2023 by Deano