Peterborough Panthers 2023

[chrismorton 332]

When you see photos like that it does feel like game over :-(.  ..any positive updates?

[Crump99 4,476]

On 1/17/2024 at 9:16 PM, chrismorton said:

When you see photos like that it does feel like game over :-(.  ..any positive updates?

That's what AEPG want you to think but the basics are all still there and putting that right is easier and cheaper than starting from scratch. Don't fall for it. Read Save Coventry Speedway if you want a positive update. Much of that ruling can be applied to our situation and Butterfield and Co will have more than that incoming in 2024.

[Crump99 4,476]

On 1/17/2024 at 2:30 PM, Mick Bratley said:

It’s not just DHL there are other companies doing the same work there now Vauxhall, Audi and Tesla in addition to DHL . . . . but don’t tell anybody, they don’t want anyone to know.

Hopefully someone spills the beans at their planning appeal.

[Flappy 1,605]

Hard not to feel that Panthers won't ever ride at the showground again and the fight must be to force AEPG and he council to find some lad and build a new stadium as per the local plan.

[OldNutter 48]

3 hours ago, Flappy said:

Hard not to feel that Panthers won't ever ride at the showground again and the fight must be to force AEPG and he council to find some lad and build a new stadium as per the local plan.

Looking through the Coventry files (well done to one of my old tracks - would love to go to their opening night!), it might be a lot better to stay where they are and fight for the whole showground to be restored to green uses as well as the speedway,  If the grandstand survives the most likely damage usual in these cases, together with the car parking, superb access from the A1 and the security fences, it would be a helluva lot less for the consortium to fund in the first instance to justify carrying on where they were.

[bigcatdiary 3,165]

4 hours ago, Flappy said:

Hard not to feel that Panthers won't ever ride at the showground again and the fight must be to force AEPG and he council to find some lad and build a new stadium as per the local plan.

I am sure that’s Butterfield's plan to convince all supporters their is no chance of speedway ever returning to the Showground, what I did find interesting is the EOE Agricultural Society’s decision to open the Showground up for the local hunt brigade for a dog show, that surely weakens their argument that they had shut the Showground down to everything to enable the planning application to get approved.

What he clearly hasn't taken into consideration is the supporters plan to stop the planning application from ever getting approved, at the moment we are still awaiting what the Environmental Agency findings will be in relation to the recent poisoning of thousands of fish at Ferry Meadows, it’s likely the local water courses have been contaminated by something, I do wonder what could have possibly caused this, local farmers or local businesses that work near Ferry Meadows.

[Mick Bratley 474]

12 hours ago, bigcatdiary said:

I am sure that’s Butterfield's plan to convince all supporters their is no chance of speedway ever returning to the Showground, what I did find interesting is the EOE Agricultural Society’s decision to open the Showground up for the local hunt brigade for a dog show, that surely weakens their argument that they had shut the Showground down to everything to enable the planning application to get approved.

What he clearly hasn't taken into consideration is the supporters plan to stop the planning application from ever getting approved, at the moment we are still awaiting what the Environmental Agency findings will be in relation to the recent poisoning of thousands of fish at Ferry Meadows, it’s likely the local water courses have been contaminated by something, I do wonder what could have possibly caused this, local farmers or local businesses that work near Ferry Meadows.

Be very timely if the Environmental Agency findings are released today or tomorrow morning ahead of AEPGs second revised planning application for the DHL business which is being heard tomorrow afternoon at the Town Hall at 13:30. Be magnificent if those findings accuse AEPG of their businesses killing 100,000 fish.

[Crump99 4,476]

Can anyone decipher this in plain English in terms of Peterborough Speedway? (not what you think it means, only if you actually know)

We urgently need evidence, which we will submit, in two areas to assist our Asset of Community Value application.

1) whether Peterborough Speedway is or has in the recent past being used to further social wellbeing or the social interests of the local community which is not an ancillary use.

2) whether it is realistic to think that such a use if current may continue in the future or if it was in the recent past may occur at a time in the next five years.

[Toady 230]

48 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

Can anyone decipher this in plain English in terms of Peterborough Speedway? (not what you think it means, only if you actually know)

We urgently need evidence, which we will submit, in two areas to assist our Asset of Community Value application.

1) whether Peterborough Speedway is or has in the recent past being used to further social wellbeing or the social interests of the local community which is not an ancillary use.

2) whether it is realistic to think that such a use if current may continue in the future or if it was in the recent past may occur at a time in the next five years.

I don’t know if this helps ? https://historicengland.org.uk/content/docs/legal/appeal-decision-oxford-stadium/

[Daniel Smith 5,661]

50 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

Can anyone decipher this in plain English in terms of Peterborough Speedway? (not what you think it means, only if you actually know)

We urgently need evidence, which we will submit, in two areas to assist our Asset of Community Value application.

1) whether Peterborough Speedway is or has in the recent past being used to further social wellbeing or the social interests of the local community which is not an ancillary use.

2) whether it is realistic to think that such a use if current may continue in the future or if it was in the recent past may occur at a time in the next five years.

Seems reasonably simple. 

Basically asking if the Speedway brings anything to the community outside the sport excluding match days. 

Schools, charitable work, community gatherings etc. 

It's a fair argument to the use of grounds as Speedway is once a fortnight for 6 months. 

[OldNutter 48]

These sorts of stuff can be somewhat "imaginative" and even somewhat nebulous.  Think about a football stadium - 24-ish days a year for  90 minutes probably equates to or is even less than a two-team speedway venue.  Any team sport, particularly a geographically-based one generates supporters and they are a substantial element of local wellbeing.  The loss of speedway at the showground could be said to reducing the numbers of the community in Peterborough from visiting other entertainment and eating/drinking local facilities to exchange chat about their local speedway team.  I would say a major part of the value that Posh brings to the community in Peterborough can also similarly justifiably be used to support the need for speedway in the town ( at the showground, where it has been for years.)  All meetings/events of the Supporters Club or equivalent also add to the community of a local sporting activity and improve the well being of that community.

Travelling fans bring value to places around town like petrol stations, ev charging points, hotels and restaurants and lots of other businesses in the city.

There must be many more things that come into this holistic view off the value of a local speedway team beyond just the actual meetings.  And none of these are provided by loads of houses.

[Crump99 4,476]

3 hours ago, Toady said:

I don’t know if this helps ? https://historicengland.org.uk/content/docs/legal/appeal-decision-oxford-stadium/

Not sure either but will have a look. Anything like that is always interesting though and education which can be saved in the file anyway so thanks for that

Edited January 23 by Crump99

[Hackney 89]

1 hour ago, OldNutter said:

These sorts of stuff can be somewhat "imaginative" and even somewhat nebulous.  Think about a football stadium - 24-ish days a year for  90 minutes probably equates to or is even less than a two-team speedway venue.  Any team sport, particularly a geographically-based one generates supporters and they are a substantial element of local wellbeing.  The loss of speedway at the showground could be said to reducing the numbers of the community in Peterborough from visiting other entertainment and eating/drinking local facilities to exchange chat about their local speedway team.  I would say a major part of the value that Posh brings to the community in Peterborough can also similarly justifiably be used to support the need for speedway in the town ( at the showground, where it has been for years.)  All meetings/events of the Supporters Club or equivalent also add to the community of a local sporting activity and improve the well being of that community.

Travelling fans bring value to places around town like petrol stations, ev charging points, hotels and restaurants and lots of other businesses in the city.

There must be many more things that come into this holistic view off the value of a local speedway team beyond just the actual meetings.  And none of these are provided by loads of houses.

Sorry I might be missing your point but would the residents of these new houses not use the local amenities ?

I am sure the Harvester for example would get more trade from permanent residents against speedway fans ?

[Daniel Smith 5,661]

4 hours ago, OldNutter said:

These sorts of stuff can be somewhat "imaginative" and even somewhat nebulous.  Think about a football stadium - 24-ish days a year for  90 minutes probably equates to or is even less than a two-team speedway venue.  Any team sport, particularly a geographically-based one generates supporters and they are a substantial element of local wellbeing.  The loss of speedway at the showground could be said to reducing the numbers of the community in Peterborough from visiting other entertainment and eating/drinking local facilities to exchange chat about their local speedway team.  I would say a major part of the value that Posh brings to the community in Peterborough can also similarly justifiably be used to support the need for speedway in the town ( at the showground, where it has been for years.)  All meetings/events of the Supporters Club or equivalent also add to the community of a local sporting activity and improve the well being of that community.

Travelling fans bring value to places around town like petrol stations, ev charging points, hotels and restaurants and lots of other businesses in the city.

There must be many more things that come into this holistic view off the value of a local speedway team beyond just the actual meetings.  And none of these are provided by loads of houses.

Is this a serious post?? Football stadiums are 24 days for 90mins??

Club shops 7 days a week, executive suites 7 days a week, 7 days a week restaurants, function suites, stadium tours, charity work, 100s of office staff required 7 days a week. 

[noaksey 345]

49 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

Is this a serious post?? Football stadiums are 24 days for 90mins??

Club shops 7 days a week, executive suites 7 days a week, 7 days a week restaurants, function suites, stadium tours, charity work, 100s of office staff required 7 days a week. 

Plus Football stadiums are, in the main, owned by the clubs themselves