spin king 1,923 Posted October 10, 2022 32 minutes ago, Col said: Exactly the same could be said about Howarth's Aces counterparts Wright & Brennan. I think Ellis is the key man for Sheffield tonight, can he take points off Zagar & Kurtz? I picked Kyle out due to his scores for Sheffield and his British Final scores at Belle Vue Belle Vue 5 points from 5 rides 3 points from 4 rides 5 points from 4 rides British Final 10 points from 5 rides Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,115 Posted October 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Trees said: LOL ..... bet you won't be able to resist having a look, it's the BIG final after all, if only to see if Robert Lambert can score another maximum We said that before the Kings Lynn v Poole final but it was an excellent turnout and hope Ellis does better than he did that day! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The SAINT 78 Posted October 10, 2022 51 minutes ago, mikebv said: I get some of the points but .. FTG has always been around since I started 50 odd years ago with PC at Hyde Rd (when he trapped), often a half straight ahead of a couple second strings and 2 point reserves... You still invariably got that "moment" though which took your breath away when he failed to make a start.. And tonight you will hopefully get at least one "moment" the same.. No out of their depth reserves and second strings are bona fide 2nd Division HL's nowadays.. Personally for me, the racing has never been better at tracks like the NSS, Peterborough, Redcar and Glasgow, and the overall standard from No1 to No7 has never been so high.. Tune in tonight Bob and I am sure you wont be disappointed, I am there with my lad, and to be honest the result is secondary to the racing for me.. And the NSS seldom let's you down on that score... Fair weather... Big Crowd.. Two World Class GP stars. <<<<< ****** And a support cast made up of seasoned internationals and very decent riders... What's not to like? * fairly sure there's THREE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The SAINT 78 Posted October 10, 2022 2 hours ago, TTT said: Final over tonight imo, BV will take a 16 point lead at worst to Sheffield. If BV don't suffer mechanical issues then I could see them winning by 20+ i'm thinking 20 points too (and i'm a Tigers fan) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,115 Posted October 10, 2022 54 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said: Orion - gardening at the starts is now out of control. From NDL juniors to SGP sooperstars they get off their bikes digging ruts , then filling them in, then completely missing the start. Complete waste of time. 2 completely one sided p off semi finals - the last one at Sheffield typified the modern style gate and go speedway on big tracks. Racing at Belle Vue Hyde Road was good …. The new incarnation sees the action over by lap one and the 4 riders getting further and further apart. They might go faster than they used to … but entertainment is poor. Too many delays, time wasting and not a lot of action. Have you seen Chris Harris, he can be quite entertaining! Shame he can't guest for someone tonight. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Garry1603 353 Posted October 10, 2022 The fascinating thing about this match is that there are riders on both teams who can step up to the plate and win the title for their team, Wright, Brennan and Blodorn for the Aces and Howarth, Ellis and Mountain for Sheffield. It could be a classic final and should bring some great racing in both legs. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TTT 1,268 Posted October 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, The SAINT said: i'm thinking 20 points too (and i'm a Tigers fan) It's just so difficult for away teams to get race winners around the NSS when you've got either Kurtz, Zagar or Lambert out in almost every race. So essentially Brennan, Wright & Blodorn need to run lasts for the away sides just to get 3-3's most of time and that doesn't happen often. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The SAINT 78 Posted October 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, spin king said: I picked Kyle out due to his scores for Sheffield and his British Final scores at Belle Vue Belle Vue 5 points from 5 rides 3 points from 4 rides 5 points from 4 rides British Final 10 points from 5 rides 10 in the british final seems good but he isn't facing home track specialists/heat leaders Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,115 Posted October 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, TTT said: It's just so difficult for away teams to get race winners around the NSS when you've got either Kurtz, Zagar or Lambert out in almost every race. So essentially Brennan, Wright & Blodorn need to run lasts for the away sides just to get 3-3's most of time and that doesn't happen often. Difficult but not impossible when you have Holder, Musielak and Ellis . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,621 Posted October 10, 2022 1 hour ago, old bob at herne bay said: Orion - gardening at the starts is now out of control. From NDL juniors to SGP sooperstars they get off their bikes digging ruts , then filling them in, then completely missing the start. Complete waste of time. 2 completely one sided p off semi finals - the last one at Sheffield typified the modern style gate and go speedway on big tracks. Racing at Belle Vue Hyde Road was good …. The new incarnation sees the action over by lap one and the 4 riders getting further and further apart. They might go faster than they used to … but entertainment is poor. Too many delays, time wasting and not a lot of action. Bar Belle Vue being good none as of the rest is true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,123 Posted October 10, 2022 3 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said: From my limited viewing of speedway in the past few weeks - nothing I have seen will tempt me back to trackside to watch riders endlessly gardening at every start ….lack of any “racing” just very fast “riding”. 3 hours ago, orion said: Sorry has speedway in any thou regards.. mucking around at the tapes was much worst in the old days just as many one sided meetings and the racing was just the same.. racing at Belle Vue has product better than we have ever seen in the speedway. 1 hour ago, old bob at herne bay said: Orion - gardening at the starts is now out of control. From NDL juniors to SGP sooperstars they get off their bikes digging ruts , then filling them in, then completely missing the start. Complete waste of time. Too many delays, time wasting and not a lot of action. I have to say there is far too much "gardening" at the start for me these days. I was at Berwick for a NDL match on Saturday & even a junior in his first NDL match has already learnt / been taught to get off his bike & dig for ages. Heck even when Mildenhall had to go to the tapes for an easy 5-0 in heat 13, the both dug a little at the start, not for a long time but seemed unnecessary as they didn't have any opponents! I also feel video companies do the sport no favours by showing all the gardening in the one-off heats they show on social media. You'd think they'd want to show the best (the racing) of speedway and not the worst (time wasting). 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrs 3,291 Posted October 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: I have to say there is far too much "gardening" at the start for me these days. I was at Berwick for a NDL match on Saturday & even a junior in his first NDL match has already learnt / been taught to get off his bike & dig for ages. Heck even when Mildenhall had to go to the tapes for an easy 5-0 in heat 13, the both dug a little at the start, not for a long time but seemed unnecessary as they didn't have any opponents! I also feel video companies do the sport no favours by showing all the gardening in the one-off heats they show on social media. You'd think they'd want to show the best (the racing) of speedway and not the worst (time wasting). Maybe for the finals we should have Monty Don at the start line with a live Mic. With luck he could get some personal interviews on technique and do a live commentary up until the Start Marshall tries to call them into line. We might also get some good tips on how to ensure our prized geraniums survive the winter. It has got worse over the last few years . We need better start line discipline in general a la Polish speedway with strict time limits. Adam could be the wildcard for Sheffield tonight, having won the British Championship there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Col 862 Posted October 10, 2022 2 hours ago, spin king said: I picked Kyle out due to his scores for Sheffield and his British Final scores at Belle Vue Belle Vue 5 points from 5 rides 3 points from 4 rides 5 points from 4 rides British Final 10 points from 5 rides With the exception of Bewley no Brit in attendance that night is as quick as Zagar and probably Kurtz at the NSS. The only Ace I'd expect Howarth to beat everytime they meet is Etheridge. I'd call it 50/50 between Howarth with Wright, Brennan & Blodorn. If Brennan can recapture his British final form Tigers are in trouble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,115 Posted October 10, 2022 1 hour ago, szkocjasid said: I have to say there is far too much "gardening" at the start for me these days. I was at Berwick for a NDL match on Saturday & even a junior in his first NDL match has already learnt / been taught to get off his bike & dig for ages. Heck even when Mildenhall had to go to the tapes for an easy 5-0 in heat 13, the both dug a little at the start, not for a long time but seemed unnecessary as they didn't have any opponents! I also feel video companies do the sport no favours by showing all the gardening in the one-off heats they show on social media. You'd think they'd want to show the best (the racing) of speedway and not the worst (time wasting). Richard Lawson got excluded for getting off his bike and gardening with the two minutes on so it would seem the thing to do would be to put the two minutes on earlier . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Col 862 Posted October 10, 2022 Yes. Modern day "gardening" is OTT. What makes me laugh is a rider spends an eternity preparing a groove, the start marshall makes them move. The riders does nothing in that new position and still makes a great start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
