Dave Jones 2,127 Posted March 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, edmon said: Could this not be be dealt with by a time penalty since transponders are now to be used. Could be , there definitely needs to be some sort of punishment for moving at the start, otherwise it would soon be chaos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted March 10, 2023 36 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: Could be , there definitely needs to be some sort of punishment for moving at the start, otherwise it would soon be chaos. ...I remember when Peter Adams, rather tongue in cheek, suggested that the starting tapes be made of barbed wire when the touching tapes rule was first muted... he stated that would soon deter riders from nudging the tapes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Jones 2,127 Posted March 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, steve roberts said: ...I remember when Peter Adams, rather tongue in cheek, suggested that the starting tapes be made of barbed wire when the touching tapes rule was first muted... he stated that would soon deter riders from nudging the tapes! "Pete Adams barbed & tongues" all together seems appropriate. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
W9 Lion 222 Posted March 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Dave Jones said: Could be , there definitely needs to be some sort of punishment for moving at the start, otherwise it would soon be chaos. If UK Start Marshals a) knew the rules & b) tried to enforce them then their would be alot less moving at the starts. Riders are meant to start with 75mm of the tapes, many are not even within 75cm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted March 10, 2023 32 minutes ago, W9 Lion said: If UK Start Marshals a) knew the rules & b) tried to enforce them then their would be alot less moving at the starts. Riders are meant to start with 75mm of the tapes, many are not even within 75cm. I remember that a tape was lowered behind the rear wheel as a trial but came to nought? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Jones 2,127 Posted March 10, 2023 53 minutes ago, W9 Lion said: If UK Start Marshals a) knew the rules & b) tried to enforce them then their would be alot less moving at the starts. Riders are meant to start with 75mm of the tapes, many are not even within 75cm. Yes , but we know the start marshal can take great care to get them lined up & the second he moves away at least one rider will back off from the tapes undoing everything he has attempted to achieve . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
W9 Lion 222 Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Dave Jones said: Yes , but we know the start marshal can take great care to get them lined up & the second he moves away at least one rider will back off from the tapes undoing everything he has attempted to achieve . I understand that but at that stage the ref should exclude them for rolling at the start. When we had the second line that was meant to be beneath the front wheel spindle that appeared to reduce rolling quite alot but it was scrapped after one season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
*JJ 512 Posted March 11, 2023 (edited) The problem is that the riders have to cooperate with the rules, or have to be forced to cooperate.A few years ago, I saw the start marshal try to make a rider (who was desperate to make the start, his team were losing badly) come up to the tapes; the rider eventually took a swing at the marshal. Then again, many years ago they tried to put a thick rope behind the back wheel of the bike to stop rolling back. The riders fought and struggled to get back over the rope to try to jump the start or at least do more gardening. What is really needed is, simply, that referees clamp down on any tricks and disqualify any rider who won't behave. Edited March 11, 2023 by *JJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigcatdiary 3,165 Posted March 11, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, *JJ said: The problem is that the riders have to cooperate with the rules, or have to be forced to cooperate.A few years ago, I saw the start marshal try to make a rider (who was desperate to make the start, his team were losing badly) come up to the tapes; the rider eventually took a swing at the marshal. Then again, many years ago they tried to put a thick rope behind the back wheel of the bike to stop rolling back. The riders fought and struggled to get back over the rope to try to jump the start or at least do more gardening. What is really needed is, simply, that referees clamp down on any tricks and disqualify any rider who won't behave. The real problem is tracks, they are generally very slick which makes passing in most circumstances very difficult, which of course makes starting well a necessity, which is why we have the usual pre race shenanigans and gardening. If tracks were prepared more for racing as opposed to super slick, trapping wouldn’t be the be all and end all of the racing. Follow the leader crap is not what most supporters want to see. Edited March 11, 2023 by bigcatdiary 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,783 Posted March 11, 2023 Probably an idea to see it in action before condemning it as a bad idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,666 Posted March 11, 2023 9 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Probably an idea to see it in action before condemning it as a bad idea. Absolutely, the 1 minute is only for false starts. No excuses for any rider to miss those. Fallers, tape touching etc will be the usual 2mins. Don't see the issue at all. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
