Dave Jones 2,127 Posted March 6, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 7:23 PM, Toady said: A very comprehensive breakdown as I said Ochiltree was a shareholder and also general manager of midland sports and they sold Leicester down the river Obviously not comprehensive enough , as you've still failed to understand , I notice that you have changed tack now & it's now "they " sold Leicester & not C O. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,648 Posted March 6, 2023 1 hour ago, steve roberts said: Of course the greatest Promoter of all time was Johnnie Hoskins...the father of speedway. Too many tracks to mention but he finished his days promoting at Canterbury when Wally Mawdsley later joined forces. Wally promoted at some of the more unconventional, shall we say, tracks...Newport, Romford, Exeter, Bristol and Rochester (?) before he took over at the more conventional Swindon. Certainly the greatest self-promoter of all time, and while undoubtedly one of the most important in the sport's history there are others. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gambo 1,341 Posted March 6, 2023 26 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: Obviously not comprehensive enough , as you've still failed to understand , I notice that you have changed tack now & it's now "they " sold Leicester & not C O. I am in no way trying to justify what happened, but did the decision to sell happen some time after that terrible fire at Bradford? Football, and wooden stands (like Leicester's) were then deemed unsafe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,996 Posted March 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, arnieg said: Certainly the greatest self-promoter of all time, and while undoubtedly one of the most important in the sport's history there are others. Agree with the first part. He probably was also a great promoter back in the early days. By the time i got to visit one f his tracks, i guess his peak period was in the past. So hard to really tell how great he was 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Jones 2,127 Posted March 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, Gambo said: I am in no way trying to justify what happened, but did the decision to sell happen some time after that terrible fire at Bradford? Football, and wooden stands (like Leicester's) were then deemed unsafe. I think the Bradford fire was 1985 ,so later than the sale of Blackbird Rd. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted March 6, 2023 12 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: I think the Bradford fire was 1985 ,so later than the sale of Blackbird Rd. ...and of course Hyde Road (1988) went the same way with its largely wooden stands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted March 6, 2023 27 minutes ago, arnieg said: Certainly the greatest self-promoter of all time, and while undoubtedly one of the most important in the sport's history there are others. Certainly his book "Walkabout" is well worth a read...lots of anecdotes and his obvious devotion to the sport. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Jones 2,127 Posted March 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, steve roberts said: ...and of course Hyde Road (1988) went the same way with its largely wooden stands. Ah yes Hyde Rd , so many memories. The BLRC was always around the date of our son's birthday so each year it was a family day out , firstly the Zoo, then off to the speedway which was always a great atmosphere & when that finished the rest of the evening at the funfair along with many other supporters .Great times . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted March 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: Ah yes Hyde Rd , so many memories. The BLRC was always around the date of our son's birthday so each year it was a family day out , firstly the Zoo, then off to the speedway which was always a great atmosphere & when that finished the rest of the evening at the funfair along with many other supporters .Great times . My first visit to Hyde Road was in 1985 and unfortunately the zoo and funfair had gone by then. My last visit was in 1987 and the stadium was looking somewhat sorry for itself by then but no questioning the standard of racing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Jones 2,127 Posted March 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, steve roberts said: My first visit to Hyde Road was in 1985 and unfortunately te zoo and funfair had gone by thenh. My last visit was in 1987 and the stadium was looking somewhat sorry for itself by then but no questioning the standard of racing. One of the very few benefits of being an"oldie" for me. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toady 231 Posted March 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Dave Jones said: Obviously not comprehensive enough , as you've still failed to understand , I notice that you have changed tack now & it's now "they " sold Leicester & not C O. I understood fully Ochiltree was a shareholder in midland sports and they (midland sports) sold out to Barrett’s end of. you believe what you want Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toady 231 Posted March 6, 2023 2 hours ago, midlandred said: You omit the word ‘minority’, of course. ‘They’, the company, sold the Blackbird Road site. No river was ever involved. How do you know how many shares he had ?Ochiltree shareholder and midland sports sold leicester end of Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
midlandred 206 Posted March 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Toady said: How do you know how many shares he had ?Ochiltree shareholder and midland sports sold leicester end of Whatever!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Jones 2,127 Posted March 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Toady said: I understood fully Ochiltree was a shareholder in midland sports and they (midland sports) sold out to Barrett’s end of. you believe what you want But, just as final comment on this subject, that isn't what you first claimed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,648 Posted March 6, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Toady said: How do you know how many shares he had ?Ochiltree shareholder and midland sports sold leicester end of Because it is publicly available information that you can get from Companies House. PS Gilmour was Saunderson's accountant, so in all likelihood a nominee holding for Saunderson family members. Edited March 6, 2023 by arnieg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites