TTT 1,229 Posted April 17, 2023 Will fans pay £20+ to see a much weaker product featuring 5 man teams? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 6,035 Posted April 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, HGould said: I fear from rumours that there are 3 Clubs in that list that may not be around in 2024. They don't include Workington. A couple due to possible planning / development concerns and one due to disenchantment of promotion. I am assuming you are thinking Poole and Brum. But can't think who the third one is..? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 6,035 Posted April 17, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TTT said: Will fans pay £20+ to see a much weaker product featuring 5 man teams? If same amount of heats I don't see why not. If you pay at the gate at Oxford it costs £22 at the moment anyway. Poole prob cheapest Champ club at £19. Edited April 17, 2023 by lisa-colette 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Falcon1983 557 Posted April 17, 2023 I understand there are not enough riders really for a North/South split but can anymore be done to allow more commonwealth riders into British Speedway? maybe lowering the standard might attract some more German riders over as well? At least clubs could potentially run on the nights that best suit them, perhaps working with the Danish/Swedish leagues regarding fixtures The next thing will be if its Championship pay then riders can't make it pay, I always look to the British Superbike Championship, how many classes do they have these days 5 or 6, 40 rider grids, most riders earning money through personal sponsorship or they pay to ride, yes its only 12/13 weekends a year including Friday practice so they can work but if the pandemic showed anything, riders will get jobs to earn money Under a North/South split you might get 1 or 2 at a club that earn ok money the rest are going to be part-time This if you take all the negativity away is an opportunity to re-do British Speedway, and waiting for, make a 5 year plan to stick with 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rearingtogo 119 Posted April 17, 2023 Amalgamation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,375 Posted April 17, 2023 Just now, rearingtogo said: Amalgamation. 10 years too late. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rearingtogo 119 Posted April 17, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Fromafar said: 10 years too late. British Speedway has always been run by jokers, and it’s finally caught up with them. Edited April 17, 2023 by rearingtogo 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,375 Posted April 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, rearingtogo said: British Speedway has always been run by jokers, and it’s finally caught up with them. It’s all been about self interest. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mimmo 1,070 Posted April 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Fromafar said: It’s all been about self interest. But surely in the case of Peterborough and Wolverhampton, that can't be put down to self interest. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beowulf 1,513 Posted April 17, 2023 48 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: If same amount of heats I don't see why not. If you pay at the gate at Oxford it costs £22 at the moment anyway. Poole prob cheapest Champ club at £19. The entrance fee is completely irrelevant, a 5 team league is totally unworkable. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted April 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, TTT said: Will fans pay £20+ to see a much weaker product featuring 5 man teams? Why would it be a 'much weaker product'? However riders without the doubling up option will want to demand a higher rate of pay from their one club, so the cost of admission will very much be relevant? NB. I want to hear from Phil Morris......! Edited April 17, 2023 by Skidder1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marky_Mark 55 Posted April 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Mimmo said: But surely in the case of Peterborough and Wolverhampton, that can't be put down to self interest. Hmm partly true, partly not So imagine if the sport had been run differently over recent years, we may not have the perception from all of these stadium owners that speedway is not profitable for them. A better product, more entertainment, more promotion may have attracted larger crowds which may have meant more money coming through the concession stands and higher rents to the stadium owners who would then be more keen to keep the sport? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,292 Posted April 17, 2023 3 hours ago, iainb said: I'll see your 6 and lower you 5 man teams? Four team tournaments... Like Denmark used to do... Or three team tournaments with six riders each... Or Best Pairs with three riders per team with seven teams each night in attendance Or... Or... Youth Hosteling with Chris Eubank... Monkey Tennis!!!!!!! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,292 Posted April 17, 2023 Ice Hockey seem to do "ok" with 8 teams in the league.. With crowd levels most Speedway clubs in the UK would suggest are "bumper".. Altrincham Ice Rink host Manchester Storm and over 2000 attend most matches.. And they are at the lower end of the crowd scale domestically... Dont know if they have lower divisions though in Ice Hockey, but what they do is push the top level that they have in the UK.. Speedway will carry on in some form in the UK... But for crying out loud, someone stop the nonsense operating model it runs with, someone bring some credibility and integrity to what it offers up, someone market the sport professionally and collectively and someone take charge of cost controls and set limits... Do that, and it may have chance... Don't do that, and the current situation which has been delivered by steadfastly not doing any of the above, will sadly continue to work its way to an inevitable conclusion.. Sadly, all that could have been written 20 years ago, and just like then, it will be completely ignored by those seeing more importance in wondering which ringer to get in as a guest this Satirday somewhere .. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TTT 1,229 Posted April 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Skidder1 said: Why would it be a 'much weaker product'? However riders without the doubling up option will want to demand a higher rate of pay from their one club, so the cost of admission will very much be relevant? NB. I want to hear from Phil Morris......! The league would be unbalanced due to the majority of Championship clubs not having the finances to compete. They wouldn't agree to the Monday/Thursday race nights either because it's financial suicide for them so we could see fixtures taking place 5-7 nights a week and that rules riders who compete at the highest level out because they won't be able to fit dates in their diary's with Sweden on a Tue, Denmark on a Wed and Poland from Fri-Sun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
