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Obviously we are ruffling a few feathers LL, other team managers getting a bit twitchy at how we are doing so trying to pull a fast one and put a spanner in our works The BSPA should be an independent body of people not bloody Team Managers who have teams in the League they are making decisions about , its all wrong

I've always said this. It's the same teams who get sc***ed regarding fixtures every year whilst other teams sail merrily on, with rules seemingly being made up to suit the chosen few as they go. Time for a real shake up - however I won't hold my breath as real supporters ask for this every year.

Surely Middlo needs a kick up the backside for not giving Kasper 7 rides?. You have to accept that Starry surely?.

Could have been more if your team manager was more with it.You had 3 riders in Worrall,Klindt and Sundstrom who only scored in one of their rides each.And not one of them gets replaced by Woryna that scored in all his races.Then he puts him ht15.When you have potentially one of your better riders at reserve use them to max i say.

Pieszczek is a quick learner, Decent effort for his first visit to Monmore.

Ivan Mauger did not complain about the shape.Like people are saying you have to adjust your riding style to the track and conditions on the night.

This really is a poor public display and when you listen to the line up,with guests etc. This is one reason why supporters are drifting away. The sport is a joke.

I hate this toy track.

Not strictly true. A snapped chain can cause a rider to crash/fall, also a front wheel collapse and snapped handlebars too.

I'm sure that there are plenty of other threads that discuss the major issues that the sport faces on a national scale. Returning to the matter of STOKE, can anyone advise if the track has been fixed and when fixtures will resume?

I don't think Edinburgh has/have problems with their fixtures racing fairly regularly ay home without 3 week gaps between fixtures. Good planning & organisation.

The longer this season goes on the more ridiculous it gets?

Perhaps if somebody painted a big X on the third bend fence where the riders hit, it would get the message across that you can't really go full throttle around brough park. You can complain about the track all you want, but the vast majority of incidents on the third bend are rider error.

Seasons a goddamn write off already. I hate my life.

Why do you waste your time replying to Elplanko? Open stalker that contributes nothing to a forum discussion. Another pathetic multi alias - some very weird freaks out there - they get off on a reply but hate the silence. Calling Pinny!!! Can you do it again? Exterminate!!!!

Closer match than I expected...but once again fantastic night’s racing. I said to someone leaving... cracking night’s racing as usual His response was .. I haven’t been to Speedway for over 25 years.... Came to the last Aces match and enjoyed it so much I came back... My response was .... don’t stop now keep coming !!!!

Ive just got back from a fantastic meeting at the NSS , and full credit to riders like Kurtz and Woryna Heat 14 between Woryna and Tungate was one of the best ive seen at the track !! All this "Middlo cost us the win"..is utter bulls*** , and slightly disrespectful to both Poole and Belle Vue riders

It is really onlly MFF who is saying that, what does he know, he doesn't attend any meetings, his opinion is meaningless.

Admittedly Woryna should have had more rides , but you do realize Belle Vue riders rode well tonight ?, and if not for a uncharacteristic low score from Dan Bewley And Fricke shedding a chain on the start line, we could have well hit the 50 plus mark . So spare us the "Poole would have won with a different manager " line , thanks

I like Rosco. Always have. But Middlo is a far, far better manager.

Great result for lynn. Good to see iversen scoring well. I hope he’s finding some good form for himself as much as lynn. It’s been a shame seeing him off form

Why only 5 rides for Kasper as surely Middlo has slipped up giving Richie 4 rides, Linus 4 rides & the gating tart Klindt 4 rides?.

Discolated shoulder for Kyle Howarth,Hopefully a speedy return.

Shame the same cant be said of you

How did masters get away with that?

You go to a restaurant and are first in?.. You get put by the window... You have the first table booking of the night?.. You get put by the window... A fruit and veg man makes his living from what's on display at the front of his shop, hence all the best fruit and veg is there for those walking past to look at. What you then buy in store may not be quite of the same quality but you already have a mindset of good quality so invariably don't even notice... As you say, people are sheep and will often follow what they are told is the latest fad or see what is successful and attacts a crowd, and then latch on to it.. With Speedway being one of this countries best kept secrets, it is simply screaming out for someone with real marketing skills to grab it by the balls and move it forwards. And with the right contract from the BSPA, given the huge potential audience to aim for who don't go, they could end up very wealthy.. British Speedway doesn't seem to even consider the TV meeting being beamed into tens of thousands of homes as a chance to showcase the sport. (And when you look at the BARB figures Speedway certainly more than holds its own, often outperforming more well known sports).. They seem content to portray the image of a crowd level of 'one man and his dog' and it appears even more embarrassing when Nigel mentions the 'good crowd in tonight Kelvin' as the camera moves around a crowd 'one deep' at best with many, many gaps in between.. For me, if you are not willing to drop the price and promote the event to try and grow your business long term then the least you could do is cordon off parts of the stadium to 'squeeze' the crowd together and put huge advertising banners blocking the empty terracing left behind in places. (Like UEFA do with the front rows of the Champions League).. Possibly it could actually be easier to get companies to pay to have their names emblazoned across tens of thousands of TV's in Britain in large letters, than attracting income generated by getting a crowd in? Sadly, virtually every time you watch a British Speedway League match on TV your heart sinks just that little bit more. .

Brilliant tactics, cos claus is a pile of dog.

Just seen this on twitter PirateCast Retweeted Ned Payne‏ @nedpayne_echo 3h3 hours ago More Somerset's Claus Vissing set to miss Knockout Cup trip to Pirates on Wednesday due to commitments in Denmark. That means extra rides for Jason Doyle and Jack Holder... Think that could make Somerset a bit stonger

It probably is him again! Funny how since Gavans been exposed Trackrat has been posting more and more!!

Oh no the time is coming, its nearly time for our boys to head to Brough Park !!! I'll make sure Jacko has a team meeting before the match to warn them its not the track you bounce around on the 3rd bend its the Riders knowledge (Tsunami ..I'm only kidding too , lol )

Both teams using r/r is another good advert for TV (not).

As a fellow "Oldie" there was actually a dead heat at Workington in Heat 11 of the home leg of the KOC meeting against the IOW on 18th Sept 2004, when James Wright and Craig Boyce were adjudged to have crossed the line together. The Comets lost that meeting 43.5pts to 46.5 Before that, as Lord Lucan stated, there was also one in the home meeting against Scunthorpe in the League on July 4th 1975 when Mick Newton and Keith Evans crossed the line together in Heat 7 with a final result of 36.5 to 41.5 in Scunthorpe's favour. By the way, I am not Jacko, as some of you already know!!

If the present owners depart I will happily go back and sadly I think there are many others with a similar mind set. Unfortunately I think the monies they make at Stock Cars will prevent this

Fair comment ,but like I said you have to ride to the conditions,you don't like the shape but Howarth rides for Wolves which is similar IMO ,so he has no issues with shape.

I remember back in the Premier League heyday when Buster had sponsors queuing up to throw money at him. Seem to recall we had 3 'shirt' sponsor's at one time ( Money Centre, Jark and Banham Poulty) That must have amounted to some serious wonga, it was suggested it amounted to a 6 figure sum, combined. That for a club in the 2nd Tier of British Speedway. I would think those days are long gone. For me, back in those days everything was rosey in the garden. The fans were happy and were involved with the riders. Buster was happy , sponsorship and decent gates. The riders were happy as we had a successful team so there was plenty of points money to be had. JC was pulling the PR strings and making the whole nights entertainment something that fans were looking forward to week on week. Then we decided to move up with the big boys. Interaction between riders and fans all but disappeared, sponsorship was harder to come by, riders were picking up pay cheques then onto to the next gig. Fans no longer felt 'part' of the Club. JC upped sticks and left ( many know and understand why). With all this going on Buster was just content to re-arrange the deckchairs on the Titanic ( or the equivalent of)

Sheffield don't ride Newcastle well but I hope Kyle has a speedy recovery, that is our main concern at the moment.

Nothing to do with 2010. I took a break two years ago due to too much work and the forum was an unnecessary distraction. Wasn’t posting the year Pirates beat Belle Vue in the final.

What sticks in my craw is that you are attempting to say that this is down to riders, not the track and I'd say that it is difficult to see how that is not a defence of Stoke (as is quoting that rider). You're certainly not condemning a club that had a meeting abandoned due to the surface and who then cancelled their next meeting 24 hours before hand for the same reason and without any adverse weather (unlike everyone else on this thread). Care to do so now? I think we can both agree that as bad a position as speedway is in it would be far worse if such circumstances were a regular occurrence. The rider quote I saw in respect of this meeting described Stoke as a 'sh*thole' (his words, not mine), I know Isle of Wight asked for the track inspection because they did not want to send their riders out and its clear the referee thought the meeting had to be abandoned. That (taking also into account the number of falls and injuries) sounds like the track was not merely rough, but dangerous. There's a difference.

This Workington team are Title contenders if they all turned on the same night.Imo

Leanback and watch him go, away from home he's doing a great job , just need to get him going better at home as he's a little streaky at the moment, but i'm well pleased for the lad that it's starting to come together.

NO, Pete Adams is at Wolves!!!

I very much doubt that will have enticed any new fans.

ref's obviously a homer... pulled Hans back for a slight roller

That's a new one, poor shape, same as all other tracks isn't it, 2 straights and 4 bends so what shape would you like it to be!!! Track not good, nothing wrong with it if riders use throttle control and a bit of common sense. Bored of this rough park and not always prepared right c**p now, track is probably the best it has been in a long time and as for entertainment, I leave having been entertained most weeks and not always by the speedway. I will take a stab at you being a Sheffield fan and therefore I will say I have been to many a meeting at Sheffield most of them prestigious meetings (such as the PLRC) when the track and entertainment was abysmal to the point now where I don't bother going to Sheffield anymore, narrow minded you may say but no more than your comments above. As has been stated, the incidents over the last two weeks have been nothing to do with the track or preparation or shape (it has been that shape for years) and were down to rider error. As regards the match, first and foremost, I hope Kyle is OK and nothing too serious. I was really impressed with Charles Wright who I believe does not list Brough Park in his top 100 tracks but he attacked the track (sensibly) and got his rewards. Better performance this time from Lasse, but the overall performance from Sheffield was on a par with past visits. Diamonds were great with the exception of Mr Kus who was shocking again, giving up most times after 1 lap, bike problems aside, not a great performance from Matej over the last couple of weeks, needs sorting and fast. No match next Sunday as we are at the fours and still confused by our lineup, any reason for Ludvig no show?

so apparently the bspa are not happy that our season has been poor so far due to the fixture list we were told last night Workington and other clubs have been asked or told to try and rearrange some fixtures dispite 1 or 2 clubs been already offered dates to reschedule which they have turned down looks like Workington gonna struggle again to fit in fixtures I wonder if some of the fixtures the bspa want rearranged don't suit certain teams and they want a date that does suit them when Workington have riders missing now come on bspa and all other teams start to play fair whats wrong are you now scared Workington are a force to be reconed with as apposed to the team that most wrote off and slagged off as no hopers pre season

Will be my first and only visit to the OTA this year, never youse to miss a meeting, only going as Lambert is there

Pretty much the point I was making... Your crowds are very good (up against a pretty poor Sport average admittedly)... (And obviously when you are winning). The problem you have though I would suggest is Matt will budget his income on a certain base crowd level which he would guestimate being linked to success... The success he would have expected to be delivered given the team he put together.... I would suspect therefore his calculations were based on an expected better set of results, hence no 'breaking the bank' to bring in any World Class rider or any up and coming young 'four point superstar' which he has done so many times successfully in the past.... To Matt it has always been a business.. And quite rightly he cuts his cloth accordingly.. Those fickle fans staying away (which given their crowd numbers, Poole clearly have more than most), therefore cannot moan if he doesn't put his hand in his pocket and take risks with the overall business. .

I never ever ever thought I would say this but I'm on the verge of giving up on league speedway altogether. The sheer stupidness of those promoting the sport is staggering. After 20+ years of speedway on TV they STILL haven't managed to grasp the basic concept that it's vital to make it look like a place to be. £10 entrance should be a mandatory requirement. Before long TV matches would become looked forward too, not dreaded by those attending. Why? Not just the reduced entrance, but a bigger crowd means a better atmosphere which in turn means an average race seems like a good one, a good one a great one and so on. Then of course those watching will get a much better impression. But no, show it in front of sparse crowds which drills the message home to the sheep... nothing to see here.

Are Poole fans really that fickle? One poor season and everyone stops going? Swindon didn’t win the league for 45 years but we’re still going. Stop sounding like a load of spoilt brats, and support your riders. Kurtz and Grajczonek will come good, even if you don’t win it this year.

i hope we make the play offs and i hope we win them but if we dont so be it,i wont start crying,to me theres more to it than results,an evening out with freinds maybe a meal together maybe a few beers, a good chat and a laugh,i would also like to stick with this team whatever the results,its only f---ing speedway after all