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Sometimes Me Webb comes out with a load of old squit on here which embarrasses other Lynn fans and that post about Adam Ellis is right up there with them. Dear me.

If gavan replies you’d be the first one telling him to go back to the Ipswich thread, now your goading him into responding

Thanks Gents, I will speak to the wife and she can tell me what I want for tea.

Poole had a fair bit of good luck and Lynn had a lot of bad luck. That's all there is to it. To suggest Adam wasn't scoring points on purpose so Poole would have a better chance of winning, is quite frankly ridiculous! He doesn't really have a connection to the club, so I don't really get it.

What an earth has happened to the Somerset v King's Lynn KO Cup thread could have sworn it was here somewhere.All it seems to be now is the Steve Shovlar side show. Trying to get it back on course now,i'm hoping Lynn try to get Charles Wright to guest for MPT especially for this trip to Somerset.He does ride well there and may have the added incentive to do well with what went on earlier in the season.

Kings Lynn won the Premier League, Poole won the Premier Trophy. My opinion is that topping a league over a season of home and aways is far more prestigious then a club that wins the final 2 meetings.

Another tough few meetings for the boys hopefully they approach them with the determination they showed against Edinburgh - this won't be easy so need to be on it! Heres to us making the final

Is it a bird is it a plane no its Flymo man from planet Ostergaard here to detroy the Panthers hopes

Not to shabby at all, you and supporters like you deserve great credit.

We've run buses to and many other tracks north and south...unfortunately this season has been so hit and miss with meetings getting the buses organised, money collected in to pay for them has been very tricky plus for a lot of us its working out cheaper to fill a car and drive against the cost for 2 people on the bus. So alas this year hasn't been great for the buses but away support has still been the same. This will be my 3rd trip to Ashfield this year in all i have managed 12 away trips this year supporting the lads i dont think that's too shabby really.

Does that include the fairies that feed you these stories?

It’s the system unfortunately, Poole took adavantage of Lynn’s problems and won a two legged final and are champions, fair play to them, end of story. But nobody who is involved with Lynn should be scared of taking satisfaction and pride at finishing top of the table and being the best team in the regular season, especially as we were tipped to finish bottom. Injuries robbed us but that’s speedway unfortunately.

As you say Scunthorpe could have run with a half a team of NL riders.... Or they could have scoured Europe for replacements if not enough available in the UK.. Or they could have pulled out of the League... And if they did that they would have at least freed up their non injured riders to replace other injured riders in other teams.. Bottom line is... Maintaining guests = Maintaining zero credibility.. Maintaining zero credibility = Maintaining almost zero mainstream media interest.. Maintaining almost zero mainstream media interest = Maintaining low crowds due to the lack of the publics awareness of it.. Maintaining low crowds due to the lack of the publics awareness of it = Maintaining zero interest in sponsoring it from large national companies.. Other sports have injuries to competitors, often several competitors from the same team. And they have to carry on.... Speedway cannot use 'ahh but this is speedway' as its catch all bollocks, get out of jail card.. If there are too many teams and not enough riders then completely change the dynamic.. Put simply, dont keep on using the same failed operating model over and over again.... As guess what? It doesn't work!

Treble world speedway champion, Tai Woffinden, was interviewed recently by the Polish Media: daily sport newspaper "Przeglad Sportowy" and leading speedway website sportowefakty.pl Here are most interesting fragments of it in my translation. (…) You dedicated your third world title to Tomasz Jedrzejak, who tragically took his own life last August . Who was he for you? He was a friend. I rode with him for many years in the Wrocław team. He wasn't just a teammate. I knew him on the private level. When it turned out that we lost Tomek, it was a terribly sad day for me. In such moments, one does not understand how it all works, why one lose such a great guy. However, this is life, situations which we have to face. I wanted to point it out . (...) Former Poland's GP rider, Krzysztof Cegielski, said that speedway killed Jerzejak. Do you agree with this opinion? If Tomek, or someone from his family told him so, then perhapas that was the case. . However, if neither Tomek nor any of his relatives said anything like that, then people should not speculate what contributed to this tragedy. I think this is something bad. You won three championship titles. Is it possible to compare them in any way? Which one tasted best? Definitely the one from 2013 tatste best. It was my first championship. It was a very important moment for me and an amazing feeling. There is a very big difference when you talk about the title from 2013 and 2015, because I won the first championship in the last round. Two years later I enjoyed the championship during the penultimate round in Toruń. It was really strange to go to the last round to Australian Melbourne with the knowledge that I do not have to fight for anything anymore. My reaction to this championship was also strange. I thought to myself: "Ok, cool, but we must be thinking now about the next title." It was not such an amazing joy as the first time. Five years ago, you said: Absolutely no children for the next 10 years, because I want to get more championship titles. Things have changed a bit in this matter. Was your little daughter in the stands an additional inspiration? Definitely. I confirm it one hundred percent. My life has changed. Five years ago, I was just beginning to get acquainted with my present wife. There were no serious plans. We did not even talk about children. Things have changed when we got involved seriously. Then we decided to marry and we started thinking about a child. Now my life challenge is to make sure that my daughter have everything she needs. It is up to me to provide her with financial and mental support . That she would have the best chance of fulfilling her plans in life. When you won the gold in Toruń, Faye, your wife cried. What was her role in this success? We've been together since 2013. She helped me win three titles. 2014 and 2016 were difficult seasons for For various reasons. I had some successes there, but not at the level I would like to have. She helped me to survive these moments. When I come home after riding, sometimes I'm happy, sometimes pissed off. She endures it all patiently, although for her it is an emotional roller coaster. Thanks to her, I always have a safe haven at home. When I started dating her, she did not know what tspeedway was, and even now she is not particularly interested. The fact, however, that we love each other so much, makes her able to enjoy my sporting happiness. When I am successful, she is happy herself. Tears in Torun probably were tears of joy and happiness, that something I worked hard for the last three seasons, something good for both of us, I have managed to achieve again. Have you had any moment of doubt this season? I do not have moments of doubt. I believe in my skills, I believe that if the best version of myself gets on the track, thenI will be the best. Many experts say that to become a speedway world champion, you have to drive hard, sometimes even unfair. Do you agree with this opinion? I do not agree. Let anyone show me one race, that I rode hard and sent someone in the fence. If I overtake someone, I do it clean. I do not foul anyone, I do not push out anyone, because I can do it in a completely different style. We ask about it, because in Poland there is an opinion that Maciej Janowski does not win medals in the world championships precisely because he is too soft. Maciek is my friend and I think that he will prove to many people how wrong they are. Were you surprised that Nicki Pedersen - three times world champion did not get a permanent "wild card" for next year's Grand Prix? No. There is a new generation group of speedway riders who deserve having a chance. For example, Leon Madsen, who in the Polish league proved that he is world class rider. I am for the refreshment of the cycle. Young riders are able to add a bit of madness and excitement to the Grand Prix, because they are hungry for successes, hungry to get more out of every competition. Speaking of young people. In Great Britain, after years of drought, a young and talented "shotguns" appeared: Robert Lambert and Daniel Bewley. Are they able to break into the Grand Prix? How long will it take them to do that? They must ride in the Polish Ekstraliga and Swedish Elitserien. If they score good points there, in each event, then they will be ready for the Grand Prix. If they can not do it, they have nothing to think about the world championships. They will not be ready forit. Freddie Williams, Peter Craven. Are these names telling you anything? No. They're British double individual speedway champions of the world. Winning the gold medal for the third time, you have improved their achievement and became the most titled speedway rider in the history of Great Britain. It does not matter to me that I am the most titled British rider in history. What matters to me is that I achieve the goals I do set for myself. I set myself a task, I try to concentrate on it, to realize it. History, future, other things do not matter to me. What matters is the satisfaction that after completing my work I can achieve my goal. Does it mean that you do not think about catching up with Ivan Maugera and Tony Rickardsson and the six titles of the individual world champion? I’ll catch up with them. I'm sure of that. It will be difficult to do, considering that at the beginning of this year there was information that you intend to end your career in 5 years time. That's not true. Polish media made an error in interpreting my interview, which I gave in England. I was asked about the goals for the future. I replied that maybe I will ride for the next 5 years and then I will finish my career. Maybe I will ride for a year and then I finish. Perhaps I become the world championship and say that is it. And perhaps I will be like Greg Hancock and will compete for the next 15 years or even longer. The information you are talking about lacked the full context of what I said and one key word: maybe. So for how long will you ride speedway? For now, it is, as it is. I am enjoying my riding. I love what I do. If in the future I will still enjoy speedway then I will continue to ride. When the day comes, that this sport will not give me pleasure, then I will end my career. Some say it's easier to get a title than to defend it the following year. You failed to do it twice. Do you have any plans that for the third time it will not happen next year ? If I knew what mistakes I made, I would not commit them. To find out and understand... these are the keys to avoid disappointment. Now I will have a third chance to correct my mistakes and I will do everything to avoid them and defend the championsho title.

I have never not liked going back years, always enjoyed Workington and there fans. Hopefully if the weather plays ball will see a few tomorrow.

100% incorrect. Unless you are on a wind up like Mr Shovlar. Pretty clear from last weeks two meetings that if Iversen, MPT & Kurtz had been fit for both legs we would have won pretty comfortably, probably getting near 100 points. Our two guests averaged 4 over the two matches yet we still scored 88 points. No doubt in my mind we were the best team over the season but experienced horrendous bad luck when it came to the final. Conversely Poole riders knocked off and injured two riders which got them through to the final and then helped them win it. Unbelievably cruel luck for Lynn but that’s speedway unfortunately.

looking forward to seeing the brilliant jake allen @ Workington again. guy is superb . throw garrity in and its carnival time for the supporters . well done scunny , hard lick , lickers .

Speedway matches are often filled with what if moments, magnified over a two legged Final, it's harder to take as a Trophy was up for grabs, personally I think KL should have used RR and relied on their riders who were in form.

There are plenty of stolen cars around Glasgow, so that's not true they belong to them until they get caught .

Goodbye. your posts are unbelievable. You accuse everyone as a cheat, Matt Ford, the ref, Ellis plus any rider of Poole. I thought MPT should not have been excluded in heat 12. However, the most that could have happened was a 3-2 to KL in that heat although I think it would have been a 3-2 to Poole. KL would have only had one rider in that heat as both reserves were already in the heat. MPT would not have ridden again in that leg nor the 2nd leg because of his broken hand. That is speedway. Are you accusing the Poole rider of dangerous riding with the intent of taking MPT out? Kings Lynn are disappointed which is understandable but your comments are so extreme it is unbelievable.

I hope you can conclusively prove that anyone deliberately cheated. That is one very serious claim you are making. No wonder this forum is considered a dangerous place.

You're right, he really can't do much more damage to the sport now.

Employing guests to cover for injured riders should be the way to go, but they need to be of a reliable nature, not someone like Ellis who clearly had other intentions. Had we used R/R in the second leg, after his obvious performance in the first, we would have won that Play-offs no problems. I will never understand the reasons why Lynn used a guest who had so much history with Poole... With Robert, Rizz , Proctor and TJ all going well , they would always score more than a dubious guest.... I hope NKI is fit to ride, but if not, don't lets go down that same road as last week. Leave it to our own riders who wont let you down......

since the bbc dropped the met office as their source their forecasts have become very unreliable. Quite where they get there info from now i'm not sure but I've given up looking at it.

Nope. I am not missing any points and I certainly never "avoid" any points or cherry-pick my way through a discussion. I am happy to debate on any point raised, as you will see below. I simply disagree with you. As you will see from my postings previous, I acknowledged that women's cricket is still a sport in its formative stages. Is it bigger or smaller than speedway? Well it's certainly debatable. I am unsure where your figures on 20,000 fans attending league speedway over a two week period come from - are you able to share that source of information? Women's league cricket is definitely in formative stages and league crowds are small and I tend to agree on that front. I suspect they are lower than speedway's, which we can confirm when you produce those speedway league attendance figures. But its World Cup Final sold out Lord's and was watched by 1.1m TV viewers on Sky Sports and 180m TV viewers worldwide. So, there's definitely a lot of wider interest in the sport. So whilst it might irk you that it gets a mention on 5 live, there is clearly an audience who are interested. I hope the sofa appearance on BBC Breakfast of Tai Woffinden eased your rising annoyance over the BBC ignoring the sport. Again, the BBC showed their unique quality of offering fair recognition when it's due. Kind of renders the political correctness point as groundless doesn't it? But let's also not kid ourselves. There would have been other people with other sporting tastes watching that saying "Who cares? Why are they bothering with that Mickey Mouse sport?" Such is the rock and hard place that the BBC often finds itself positioned in between. You wonder why you are not alone in disagreeing with me? Well, this is a speedway forum, used by speedway fans, who are biased towards...you guessed it...speedway. Naturally, a more neutral perspective is bound to get a kicking by some of the more blinkered among this happy band. Finally, yes I agree Woffinden is the best British speedway rider of all time. Does that make him a greater sportsman than an Andy Murray for example? Of course not. Murray reached the top in a truly global sport in - arguably - its most competitive era. Come SPOTY, I'm sure Tai's achievement will get a rightful nod, but even in pure motorsport terms, the significance of the achievement will likely come behind that of Lewis Hamilton (5th WC) and Jonathan Rea (4th WC) - and given the modest size of our sport, that's fair enough.

It is worth whatever someone is prepared to pay for it. Given that I find it hard to believe there is a club in British speedway which hasn't made a loss over the last five years, the value of every club is zero. You are effectively buying an expensive hobby.

100% agree Harris will give his best,but how can a rider.........infact i give up trying to explain to others.

Reduce the averages again and we will end up with more riders struggling to find a team place

A very good 5 minutes with Tai Woffinden on bbc breakfast this morning.

See I told you , you would like us

As was Drew Kemp in their home leg

I just hope that Swindon are running next year. I have many happy memories of trips to Blunsdon dating back to the Briggo days and hopefully will be there again next year.

Call it what you want - the play offs are rubbish. Come the end of the year its a good chance the team that played earlier cant get together - showed that this year as well as previous. It was a farce at KL when they were presenting the medals, too many non-team members walking up to take the metal. That's not Poles or KL fault, just the rubbish system.

Reporting on major changes to the national squad leading up to a World Cup seems pretty reasonable for a sports broadcaster. You're not making a fair comparison. All speedway v. <10% of women's cricket. The '20,000' figure comes from the league stage of the the 2017 "Kia Super League, an end of season professional competition after a whole summer of county level competition. There were an average of 1,379 at each league match with over 3,000 at Finals day. (I may be wrong but I don't think the matches which were double headed with men's Blast matches are included in those figures.) That was ~30% up on the first season (2016) and the same sort of progress was made this year with double the matches and ~4,500 at the Final. I think a few speedway promoters wouldn't mind figures like that. Lord's holds 27,500 and was massively over subscribed with applications for the WWC17 Final, especially when India qualified. Regarding professionalism, the organisational side of cricket is light years ahead of speedway, as are the stadia. I've lost track of the sort of money that riders are earning these days, but in the KSL, which you chose to highlight, the 19 England squad players are on central contracts with the top tier on about £50K. The 2 Indians involved would be on slightly more and the Australians more than double that. Oh, and 'Kia Super League'...it's a title sponsor, remember those? Kudos to the SGB Premier League for ending up with one more team than the KSL. I know it's not debatable, but there are 36 teams in the County Championship plus the 6 KSL franchises. I wouldn't try and pretend that the Division 3 group matches have fantastic crowds, probably not even NL level, but it puts the lie to "In total last season 20,000 people watched all matches". On the other side of the argument, the 180m worldwide TV audience for the WWC17 final is a bit of a red herring because 179m Indians tuning in to watch their team has little relevance to the English game. Going by the comments on here in the past week, speedway is probably punching way above it's weight with regard to national coverage. Re: attendance figures, professionalism, competing teams, and I'd add in number of participants nationally as being significant, I'd call it 3-1 to the women.

Kings Lynn had plenty of luck in the second leg. If the same things had gone Poole’s way there would be dozens of pages about it. But none of it is mentioned because it doesn’t fit the agenda. Jorgensen going over the white line. Rollers for both KL riders in heat 12. Unsatisfactory start when Jorgensen rode into Morris....

Jesus you are making some libellous accusations. Why on earth would Adam Ellis ride poorly on purpose against Poole? He looked like he was trying and most certainly wouldn’t had wanted to let the team he was riding for down. Remember, it is difficult for a guest to ride in a meeting like this when riders attached to both clubs are riding at 120% of their capabilities. Your are coming over as a very bad loser. Accept that Poole were just the better team and the Kings Lynn ridrs all tried their hearts out but came up short. Totally and utterly..........

Poole had a big dose of good luck over the semi and final but I don't think Ellis purposely went out to be as bad as he was, wonder how he feels in himself having let the Stars down so badly? As for Poole in football parlance their name was on the cup, similar to when Man U won the Champions league againt Bayern, these things happen in sport.

Quite a few us driving up so we will definitely be there , shouldn’t be able to miss us

It was only Panthers!!! Clearly thoughts more focused on fixtures the following week

I take it you must have read a leaked copy of some far reaching, root and branch investigation in to the future of the Sport RD? No? My apologies... I just presumed you were quoting its final recommendation!!!

Don’t forget the ref from the 1st leg!!

The luck was deffo in Poole's favour. Lynn had NKI injured Sunday and MPT on the Monday. That's speedway I guess. Toffy gets brought down and he gets excluded, that's speedway as well I guess. The bit that I don't like is Poole's use of Morris at Lynn. I Don't blame Poole. We all know they will try and get advantage where they can. Lynn was going to use Ellis and Morris when they was free. Not ideal, but legal. So the rule was changed for the final..I suppose that's fair enough. The bit that boils my piddle is the bit where they wavered the average rule for Poole...….Not changed it for everyone !! Just a 1 time special. Don't matter who agreed to what rider rides where, it should not of been allowed.. Ellis for Poole x 2, and Morris for Lynn x 2...….. Fits without changing the average rule for 1 team and changing it back after the final I can't remember it ever happening, and I doubt it will again !! Before the Poole tints start, I said this before the final.. Thinking about it, didn't Morris outscore Eliis by 4 at Lynn? I wonder if the rule will be wavered for the cup final.... and re instated after it.... I doubt it .. Makes the sport look silly...again. Yes Poole won the league.. Lynn was the best team over the season, who also was bottom, had the best away record to boot, just unlucky and wronged in the final.

What about the other 27 riders that rode for Poole this season? I don’t require/desire a response!

So the bloke who knocked us out of the play off final is now riding for us in the cup final, if i was a somerset fan i would be up in arms and couldnt offer any support to harris .

2016 was the year they had the test match at the same stadium. Last year was the test match Poland v Denmark at Czestochowa plus meetings scheduled at Poznan and Leszno

I'd bring back the green helmet cover

Everyone hopes that titles are won by brave and exciting overtaking moves and that you can heap praise on the champions Sadly the 2 moves most pivotal to Pooles success were Kurtz injuring Holder in the semi and Jackobsen injuring MPT in the final No intent for sure in either case but more important than any points won in the completed races that followed Without those 2 incidents no doubt Poole wouldve not won either tie

What a ridiculous thread.

if i was 20 miles away and not a panthers fan , but a speedway fan . I WOULD GO , NO BOTHER . hope he gets a decent crowd and the good people of Peterborough stick with Ged for the last meetings of the 2018 season . less fans = very little chance of selling the club to a prospective buyer . attend , attend , attend . show some support .when its gone , its GONE .

You're sounding a bit like a horrible racist