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What does the league table matter? Surely, first of all, you go to watch the speedway racing. If there’s a meeting on, it hardly matters whether it’s for the Gold Cup, European Cup, League Title, Grand National or whatever. At the end of the day, it’s 14 riders battling it out on track with no brakes. Why cut your nose off to spite your face, just because the Mickey Mouse league title is out of reach. Support your club, pay your money, help to secure a future, enjoy the racing.

Of course they can... they can explain on what has happened when they have spoken to Gi i guess they have seeing no stadium is being built after yet another broken promise. even if Gi have given no reply to there questions . if they are not trying to contact them then that is even worst . its hardly a lot to ask . The lack of pressure put on Gi by the club the press and the local mp has been shocking to be honest . Looks like yet again another con by Gi is going to work with a barely a wimper of oppo

Obviously Godfrey running down the transfer clock.

I certainly hope Jordan has not been 'neutered'...would make his eyes water!!!!

Given some of your replies on here, it's odds on that you are the single one.

And while there are many issues with British speedway, one of the biggest remains current promoters sitting on the committee. It's completely shambolic and has been for years. Until a genuinely objective committee sit at the top table our sport will always remain a joke. Ex-riders / referees with an objective not speedway official should look after the sport to ensure decisions are made by people without a vested interest. This of course takes away from the incredibly sad news that is another institutional brand in our sport has gone. I only hope the Eagles can find a way back to the tapes in 2022.

Only if they've been indoctrinated that winning is everything. Plenty of regular attendees (note l don't say fans) go to a speedway be entertained, to enjoy a night out in convivial company and to watch a good contest, good racing and a thrill and spill. Your team wins, yes that's nice too, but it shouldn't be everything.

Time to renew or begin your love affair with the island then in my view. I cant have 10 year old out of date information on a public forum without any dates Please send me a DM I would like to invite you and a friend as my guests to help re-assess your view. All the best

How much is Panthers success this season down to Rob Lyon. Its clear to see that all the riders have the ultimate respect for the guy and the team respond accordingly. Team spirit is high and its great that the club are percevering with Jordan Palin. The boy has obviously got talent and needs to be neutered. He will come good. Past seasons Panthers have tended to loose patience with some of their younger riders if they don't immediately produce the goods.

Can never understand why some sports owners choose to punish those that get their in plenty of time by making them wait for those that got their late.

You will love it, lovely little setting

The British scene was never going to sit comfortably with the Grand Prix which began to make demands domestically and weekend speedway at the higher level was hit when a Grand Prix was being held and the regularity increased as the GP series expanded. Losing Friday/Saturday night speedway proved decivise for many promotions with the non-availability of riders.

Getting any team to agree to a challenge match would be just about impossible IMO especially at this point in the season, and an individual meeting just as impossible, not unless you are offering mega money of course. Berwick`s promotion are at least putting on a meeting so credit to them for that, but I do agree with you about charging full whack for what is not much more than a practice session.

That seems to suggest that the promoters 'trouser' a nice little earner from speedway, when reality is, most, if not all, lose money. The biggest problems for speedway over a fair number of recent years, is crowd levels have gone down, while costs for promoters have gone up. That circle can't be squared. Maybe some promoters do lack charm and appear to have a 'take it or leave it' attitude, but if you are losing money, I think I might be a bit cheesed off! It's been said so many times, the riders are paid too much, which will be the promoters biggest overhead. Yes, the riders deserve to earn good money, as they are the ones on the track, but if the money isn't coming through the turnstiles, why should they bleed the promoters, the fans (with constantly increasing admission charges) and the sport dry! The riders need to get back to being semi professional. Yes, one bike strapped onto a bike rack, on the back of a Ford Focus!

Problem is 'Trees', your type of blind optimism of 'carry on regardless' has given promoters licence to simply continue down the crumbling path the sport now finds itself on... They have treated punters with disdain for years, as they believed they will still blindly turn up each week and suck-up whatever dross was chucked at them under the guise of 'professional team sport'

Thing is though how good could all of those been had they been able to get regular experience abroad from a young age, and a foot in the Polish door in their teens? This Polish U24 league could absolutely be what the current crop need to fulfill their potential, the U21 years are absolutely vital in a riders development and just riding in the UK and becoming an expert on our tight tricky tracks is no good if you want to be competitive internationally.

I think it's pretty much the case TBH. When Buster took over Peterborough and they weren't doing good, Buster got blamed on here for everything from team selection, crap track with no passing to a cobweb in the men's bogs. Now they are in general pretty happy. Lynn's fans have supported the club pretty well this season at the track, where it counts. The atmosphere was great when we got our first home win. It was like we had won the league lol. This forum is only a tiny section of Lynn fans. Maybe half a dozen might actually go to the AFA on a regular basis. I'm hoping Buster keeps on going until a new promoter is found, which won't be easy. Before that happens he might get his appetite back. I'll be there Thurs cheering the team on as usual.

Whilst i agree that a sensible distance between the two leagues needs to be achieved part of that would be helped by increasing the standard of the NDL again. Ive also always been an advocate that if you are good enough you will make it. There will always be those who can make the step up and beyond and those that can't, making it easier for riders is not the answer, keeping the bar high and making sure riders work to achieve it is the only way the sport will be able to progress.

The middle tier needs to be far closer to the NDL to allow riders to progress! Even riders who can get maximums in the NDL Crang / Mulford / Smith, often score 0 at Champ level! How can a NDL rider know if he's ready for the Championship if scoring maximums at NL level isn't an indicator?

Following the postponement of the Eastbourne matches, the Berwick club have worked hard behind the scenes to still present an evening of speedway -- with a bit of a twist on Saturday 28th. An FTS Bandits select will go head to head with a Bullets squad for a true Berwick Speedway showdown! Two 6-man teams will be managed by Gary Flint and Scott Courtney and 15 heats will take place under a new race format which will see an emphasis on managerial tactics with four of the races requiring a tactical rider nomination -- although each rider can only do one of those rides each. In very tricky times for the sport throughout the UK, your promotion are excited to take this opportunity to still provide the riders with a payday and the chance to enjoy riding their bikes while entertaining the fans and we are looking forward to next Saturday! Team line-ups will be announced during the week but you can look forward to seeing your FTS Bandits and Bullets stars take to the track under a slightly different set of rules. Tapes will be rising at 7pm.

Can only see a home win.

Good old KKS, still living in his mothers basement, stealing her wi-fi and paying no rent.

Some of us saw the problems. Others were either too narrow minded or short sighted to see them and pressed ahead regardless unfortunately.

...problem was/is the GP series creamed off the money that otherwise the BSPA got to see when they lost the one-off final and associate meetings and the money generated which proved invaluable to many promotions. The BSPA, as usual, were slow off the back foot and couldn't see the damage forthcoming and ignored the signs and only woke up when it came too late to do anything about it.

Never mind the reserves who wants to watch the first team .

Not when someone has a masters degree in complete bollox.

In answer to your first question quite a lot.

Table - https://www.svemo.se/Sporter/Resultat/Speedway/Serier/BAUHAUSLigan2021/Serietabell/

Give me elite league speedway over middle tier any day. Sunday's were good but there was always the Poland issue

Needs more meetings against Lakeside!

Precisely. Jack Smith signed on as a 6.5 averaged rider, given current form/opposition he is likely to finish on 8-9. Should the league stay at the same points limit he could be forced out. Should the limit be largely increased again to accommodate all the increased averages its more likely that those with falsely inflated averages like Rothery and Spencer will be pushed out. Everyone heralded the idea at the start and just couldn't see the problems coming. I guess the state of the NDL at present / future will gloss over the mess created by lowering the points limit.

My first visit to Plymouth. Me and my eldest are looking forward this. Up the Brummies.

I'm not being negative, just realistic.

You are always so angry with and bitter about anyone who sees UK speedway in different light to you. That is sad. There was me thinking that a forum could look at all aspects of the sport that we enjoy, from all points of view. I still absolutely love GP speedway on TV and watch domestic matches with some pleasure too. It's not free and I pay to still have that choice via BT. I just feel domestic UK speedway has lost it's way so much and at the heart of that are people who believe that it is all right as it is and little needs to change. But the facts are that support for the sport in the UK are diminishing, less and less people attend for hatever reasons. We have met and I cannot believe that you really want this Forum to be all made up of Happy Clappers? Even you have expressed to me that Mr Chapman - some years back was not getting it all right at King's Lynn! That lind "adoration" is for the Facebook pages, is it not?

I've watched speedway for a decade or five but along the way had eight years buried in the grasstrack world. During that time I did form the view that grasstracking might well be a very good and inexpensive route to a speedway career for young riders (even girls - just teasing, honest). Seriously, there are lads and lassies out there plying their trade on the lawns of England that could well make it into a shale career. And they wouldn't complain about a few bumps on track when they got there either.

The top 6 are so far clear any lack of matches raced will not change the top 6, maybe make a difference to the top 2! The biggest issue will probably be so many matches being raced after the cut off date for the play-offs, or even after the play-offs themselves, which could be hard to convince fans to turn up to watch!

Birmingham & Newcastle were open & honest with the fans & asked for help! Eastbourne chose to kept it quiet (I certainly had no idea they were in trouble till riders missed rides at Leicester) until perhaps too late!

I watched two of the last three meetings at Skegness. The track was awful. A rutted dust bowl. Impossible to race on. The worst, though, was the Derwent Park track Glasgow rode on for three-quarters of the 1987 season. I watched probably 60 per cent of the meetings. Nobody did any work on the track between matches. It resembled a Moto-X circuit. And who can forget the water-bowser-filled-with-slurry, August Bank Holiday Monday meeting against Middlesbrough? No surprise 'Workington Tigers' were kicked out of the National League that season. So many complaints from visiting teams. Never liked Exeter - far too narrow for decent racing. I worked in the city for a short time - 1998-99 - and was picky about which County Ground meetings I attended. The opposition was usually beaten before the tapes rose on heat one. Lots of one-sided, processional thrashings. Once you'd become accustomed to how fast the riders went at Exeter, compared to everywhere else, that was it. Hardly ever any passing. Craven Park, Hull. Always a beautifully prepared track - Tony Swales's handiwork? - but its width and shape weren't conducive to good racing. Went there a number of times when based in North Lincolnshire. Often wondered why I bothered. Brough Park, Newcastle? Long straights and tight bends. Used to go there fairly regularly - 1992-97 - whilst working on Teesside. One of very few tracks where the riders seem to shut off going into the corners.

I was sceptical Doris loved the Abbey with its long straights BUT it had been mainly poor as a spectacle for a while .2019 to change the track was a huge step for the management and the racing was very very good the odd blip along the way but that new track had different lines and the racing was good.

Rory Schlein's final appearance at Lynn i believe

Possibly the worst track I have ever visited in a fair while. Far too small, far too tight, only overtaking is either fence a rider or hope they make a mistake on the tight bends and fall off.

Hey R & R, regarding the topic title, you do know that we aren't supposed to mention that it's in the pariah state, R*****a! People might have thought that Togliatti was in Italy!

Steady on you will be saying next that Gislaved is an ok race track

Exactly. Wouldn't it be refreshing for BSPL to say now exactly ( or even approximately) how it envisaged this would work?

Your hired then

I’ll give it a go, just for the novelty value, especially as it’s included as part of the season pass.

Yes remember that Steve, i remember Toni Kasper getting a paid maximum there to.Also Sigalos scored a full 15 from reserve in 1979( he never met Kilb though so unusual) the biggest shock though was Einar Kylingstad getting a full 15 for Kings Lynn at the Abbey.Back to the topic Autrey/ Gresham 1980 Swindon.

I think the "Rising Star" moniker does them few favours.. It gives the impression that they will become top level riders.. When the actuality, based on history, is that most will never reach tier one HL status (unless of course it continues to be diluted and they may then get a chance).... At their age the truly World Class GB riders of the past 20 years or so, were beating the best in the world who were all riding in the UK at the time... Eg Screen, Loram, Louis, and Havelock, all of whom were well ahead of these lads at a similar age.. Bomber and Nicholls can be added to that list too a little more recent.. With Woffinden, Lambert and Bewley the three most recent examples of riders at a very young age beating some of the best in the world in their formative Speedway years.. These lads within the RS schemes are more likely to be 'solid' riders who take places in teams that previously would be taken by foreign journeymen I would suggest looking at their current level of performance.. And that's not a bad thing for the future of the sport at UK domestic level I would say..

Fair points. My relationship with speedway has changed post lockdown. I will continue to support my two local tracks, Eastbourne and Kent, but apart from the odd trip, i don't do the miles anymore. Maybe it's an age thing, but i don't have the enthusiasm like i used to.

A post echoed by all speedway fans Sidney