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Lol……I think I’ve heard most riders say in their after season speeches that they’d like to return the following year….

Basso is good and a really promising rider. Offering to, even periodically change race nights to suit a reserve/potential second string seems insane though.

Yeah, sure the liquidators only take things that are of any value?

There are more than enough quality riders if they were shared around better.. The issue is that a few clubs will have 3 heat leaders of Div 1 heat leader standard and some clubs will have one at best, and some maybe none whatsoever.. There really is no point in "saving" tracks and then leaving them to face another year of struggle due to not being supported in team building.. Running the sport like they do really doesnt help anyone either, as these teams with a poor side will struggle at home so their own fans will stop going, and struggle away so their opponents then get low crowds when they visit, and then invariably pay out loads in points money for a hammering.. With ironically the team with the poor side who get hammered away getting a 'positive' as they dont pay out much... Still.... Winning that UK Speedway title is so important isnt it? Much more important than the collective growth of the sport... I mean. You may get your results in the weekly local paper, (just above the darts and crib leagues updates), and, if successful at the end of the season, be invited to a buffet with the local mayor. (Covid rules allowing obviously)... A completely avoidable race to the bottom once again for some...

Maybe maybe not. Personal choice. Seen him spit his dummy out to many times and wouldn’t be happy to see him don a scunny race jacket. Plus just looking back he hasn’t really scored well at the EWR,like I say it’s just a personal opinion.

I sincerely hope Ian Jordon is utterly and totally nothing to do with the club as publicised, Eastbourne spent years and years doing it and were certainly one of the most successful at it, all that work wiped out last season.

He’s 91? Top bloke, wherever you take him he will no doubt see someone that makes him feel like a spring chicken, such is the speedway supporter demograph. If you take him to Birmingham, get him to wear some Kevlars. He will get free admission, but there is a catch!

I'd suggest you don't sign top heat leaders to increase their averages, you sign them to win heats & hope improvements come from the lower averaged riders. That being said I do expect Cook to up his average above 9.

I bet that Charlie Monk wishes he had held on to his bike after he retired. I see that a dealer has his 1952 Mattingly Jap up for sale on E Bay for a cool £6,950. Complete with Charlie's nameplate and signature red Tigers dirt guards. Looks a real beauty and brings back memories for those old enough to recall the loud Charlie..Charlie...chants and the thunderous foot stamping in the stand at the old White City. Btw it can be posted for £100 it would appear. A very quiet man was Charlie but some rider in his day and had some great battles with the other top men of that time such as Mauger, Hunter, Briggs, Boothroyd, Squibb, Ivor Brown to name a few. Comments are a bit off topic perhaps, but at least the word "bike" and "retired" are a good excuse to slip in an interesting commercial !

You need to stop living in cloud cuckoo land and come back to earth only 2 Swedish clubs - out of nine are non- competitive namely Vetlanda and Piraterna. Premier league teams over here wouldn’t live with E Winner clubs let alone Extraleague !!!

The top flight is still a decent standard now. Mostly filled with current and former GP riders or riders who've represent their country at World level. We're better than the Swedish league that's unbalanced with half of the clubs financially broke. Flaky Poles get exposed when they're asked to use actual skills in our Country, It's easy to ride Polish tracks like Leszno for example that's all about set up rather than skill.

No, Ludde's worth his weight in gold at Brough,,, his contract is only good for paper-mache or aeroplanes.

BBC Breakfast News this morning featuring Dan Bewley and the TeamGB winners of the SoN. Could TeamGB be in line for the 'Team of the Year' award on SPOTY tomorrow?!

I would have thought so. It probably all been sorted out now and they be laughing at us all arguing or 'debating' about it! lol

Having read the latest update in the Speedway Star about the vandalism lets just all hope that the relevant Authorities will grow some balls, be firm and visible and rid the area of the scourge of these animals and that Workington / Northside can rise from the ashes and destruction caused ready for 2023.

To be fair with Poole shelling out on visa etc it’s only fair that we pay some sort of fee. Wonder if the Lawson deal will become part of it.

Heard Willie Lawson might be doing the the same at Armadale

A rudderless ship without a suitable Captain, John, for far, far, too many years.. Crying out for someone to properly lead it... You only have to look at the threads for teams struggling to get a decent team together next year to see how ridiculous the whole operating model is.. The "collective" are desperate to keep as many clubs going as possible, (any Speedway must be seen as better than no Speedway), yet they dont ensure as a "collective" that every team has a fair chance of being successful. Yet they will use a supposed "team equality" mechanic which we all know to be far too subjective when it comes to previous riding numbers in the teams rode for, home track advantage of previous tracks, amount of meetings done, assessed averages depending on where you are from etc to be of any tangible accurate use.. Some teams next season in Division Two will, once again, have three heat leaders of a high level, (on a par with some in Div One given they will be the same riders), and other teams will end up with second strings having to take heat leader positions. The result? Well, we know that dont we? The teams using second strings as heat leaders will struggle at home and be dreadful away. However all will come to the tapes "relatively equal" and no doubt every team will talk up their side. "Strength in depth, always have a good reserve, all can put two points on their averages", etc etc etc.. What the "collective" (still after all these years of doing the same thing year in, year out), fail to grasp, is that unless EVERY track can be competitive then you will never move the sport organically forward... Getting visited by teams who are "cannon fodder" simply cannot be good for the host clubs business, yet they happily allow such things to happen... With the ultimate irony being that a few will throw hundreds of thousands of pounds into their teams to try and win something with only marginally more kudos than winning a meat raffle at the local British Legion. With the lack of kudos, financial rewards and publicity, all down to their very own operating model.. In short mate. No. The sport hasnt moved on.. (Over here).. In fact you would have to say that it has regressed a long, long way..

BERWICK 1) Chris Harris 7.90 2) Theo Pijper 5.51 3) Ty Proctor 5.42 4) Leon Flint 5.89 5) Ricky Wells 6.59 6) Kyle Bickley 3.51 7) Jye Etheridge 5.35 Current Total 40.14 Remaining Points 1.86 Team Total 42 BIRMINGHAM 1) Claus Vissing 8.43 2) James Shanes 4.88 3) Josh Auty 7.41 4) Ashley Morris 4.68 5) Adam Ellis 7.46 6) Stefan Nielsen 4.52 7) James Pearson 4.00 Current Total 41.38 Remaining Points 0.62 Team Total 42 EDINBURGH 1) Sam Masters 9.41 2) Lasse Fredrikson 5.00 3) Kye Thomson 5.46 4) Paco Castagna 5.52 5) Josh Pickering 8.34 6) Jacob Hook 4.00 7) James Sarjeant 4.07 Current Total 41.80 Remaining Points 0.20 Team Total 42 GLASGOW 1) Craig Cook 8.79 2) Broc Nicol 5.45 3) Tom Brennan 5.88 4) Ben Basso 5.00 5) Ulrich Ostergaard 7.82 6) Danyon Hume 4.88 7) Connor Bailey 4.17 Current Total 41.99 Remaining Points 0.01 Team Total 42 LEICESTER 1) Nick Morris 8.58 2) Connor Mountain 5.06 3) Kyle Howarth 7.59 4) Dan Thompson 4.92 5) Richie Worrall 7.92 6) Anders Rowe 3.68 7) Joe Thompson 3.54 Current Total 41.29 Remaining Points 0.71 Team Total 42 OXFORD 1) Troy Batchelor 9.11 2) Jack Thomas 4.78 3) Cameron Heeps 5.05 4) Kyle Newman 5.03 5) Scott Nicholls 8.84 6) Josh Macdonald 4.00 7) Dillon Ruml 4.00 Current Total 40.81 Remaining Points 1.19 Team Total 42 NEWCASTLE 1) Bradley Wilson-Dean 8.21 2) Max Clegg 5.26 3) James Wright 5.07 4) Matthew Wethers 6.47 5) Paul Starke 6.11 6) George Congrove 4.00 7) Lee Complin 5.00 Current Total 40.49 Remaining Points 1.51 Team Total 42 PLYMOUTH 1) Edward Kennett 8.62 2) Alfie Bowtell 4.76 3) Hans Andersen 8.00 4) Ben Barker 6.87 5) Michael Palm Toft 7.32 6) Dan Gilkes 3.79 7) Henry Atkins 2.24 Current Total 41.60 Remaining Points 0.40 Team Total 42 POOLE 1) Steve Worrall 9.04 2) Zach Cook 4.25 3) Richard Lawson 8.40 4) Ben Cook 5.52 5) Danny King 8.98 6) Nathan Ablitt 2.00 7) Drew Kemp 3.58 Current Total 41.77 Remaining Points 0.23 Team Total 42 REDCAR 1) Charles Wright 8.36 2) Adam Roynon 5.07 3) Lewis Kerr 7.46 4) Kasper Andersen 5.87 5) Erik Riss 7.84 6) Jason Edwards 2.16 7) Jordan Jenkins 3.60 Current Total 40.36 Remaining Points 1.64 Team Total 42 SCUNTHORPE 1) Ryan Douglas 7.96 2) Simon Lambert 5.67 3) Tero Aarnio 6.80 4) Jordan Palin 5.55 5) Jake Allen 7.88 6) Zaine Kennedy 4.87 7) Ryan Kinsley 2.78 Current Total 41.51 Remaining Points 0.49 Team Total 42

WHOOOSH.

Pools fans moaning about a rider leaving them who agreed to sign….. someone remind me about Lawson….. or is it cause they are Poole and Poole can do what they want…..?

Summers has retired, Shanes and Morris have already signed with Birmingham and I think Ty Proctor won't be returning to British speedway next season. I still believe Bates, Castagna and Sedgmen have a lot to offer a team though and would be worth the risk in the middle order of a team.

Warren Edric Monk

Purely in the interests of accuracy the date given in the advert is stated as 1952, but that is probably wrong as you have spotted.

1952? Presumably 1962.

Not like you to miss the point

I disagree, fans may want to buy them for Christmas Presents & if fans want to wait till all 7 are signed, they can still do that!

R & R - Premier league teams over here wouldn’t live with E Winner clubs let alone Extraleague !!! I provide the evidence that even a weakened team of Brits containing a couple of rising stars can even beat a top Polish team containing some of the best senior and junior riders Poland has got to offer. This isn't an opinion because I'm providing facts that aren't debatable.

A bit off the mark

You keep telling yourself that. Great Britain Vs Poland (Glasgow) 20/10/2021 | Speedway Updates (proboards.com)

Complete results, report, and pictures of the North American Final can be found here https://www.speedwaybikes.com/res2021_w/Perris-20211211.htm

That is what the heating engineers told me when I had some work installed and I asked when does the guarantee finish,They told me when we leave the house lol

It's a "development" league, there's no reason why Muff can't develop into a better rider. Plus can't discriminate against age these days!

It did move on for a short while when the Sky money rolled in. But unfortunately the money rolled out of the sport via riders pay instead of some being retained and reinvested in it and thus ultimately it dropped back to what we have had for a number of years Depressingly, the same folk are leading the sport and by example they are unable to move away from continually doing what they have always done in the way they run the sport. Sadly with too many clubs & too few riders being available alongside insufficient vision by promoters who refuse to seek & accept external help if it means giving up some (not all) of their control the future doesn’t bode well for any significant improvement on the current scenario.

Two miles south of M6 Junction 7, on the A34.

Yep.

That's also in the Speedway Star?

Ole Olsen would fit with the age profile of the team

The crack is that yous may be getting a Dane ( former 1 at that ) to complete your team !!

Do it Mossy

Are Poole and Edinburgh in a race to see who can be last to name their team.

Sometimes you have to ask yourself a question. Should I race hard on a track I believe to be unfit or stay safe to race tomorrow

Speedway racing can be the best form of entertainment. But going trackside to watch the spectacle becomes slightly samey if you don't have a dog in the race, a team in the true sense of the word or a favourite rider. How can you possibly turn up at a track and support what is often a list of seven men thrown together simply because their average fits... and the track's race day, which also allows them the to race for at least one other team? The sport has lost its characters, its personalities and, more importantly, the reason most of us tagged on in the first place - the team thing. Now it seems so much like Formula 1. If I would have wanted a sport like F1 to follow, I would have followed that. In fact, growing up, I used to get annoyed when people asked "speedway - is that Barry Sheene?" I wasn't at all interested in motorcycling, never have been. I told them it was league racing and not about individuals. Speedway was special, it was about my team, Belle Vue. It wasn't just about motorbikes. I didn't want to support one individual, as motorcycling and F1 required much of the time, I wanted to follow a team. In doing that, you got your own favourites in that team, at times not even its star man. But, now, speedway isn't anywhere near that. I see riders gaining the most from it nowadays and get the feeling they'd ride anywhere. It isn't about loyalty now. They just want a team place for next year. Maybe it's always been the case. But I genuinely think the way the sport has gone in the last two decades - an over reliance on doubling up and down, has killed off the team thing that most fans fell for. Although it's seen as being popular, the play-off system has also killed off reason to have six months of warm up matches just to get there. Then , after a few matches of higher than average crowds that the PO Finals drag from indoors (where've they been all year?), we end the season thinking the sport is in better shape than we thought.

Only Rob Grant knows the reasons for the strength of the side he has built, but I do think our team is better than the one he built last season. I’d obviously like a stronger team, but I think I’m probably a little more understanding of the Diamonds situation than a lot and I am happy that I’ve got a side to watch. My point is that you need to accept that you won’t get what you want in 2022 and that isn’t the fault of the Birmingham promotion. There is a lack of quality riders available to British Speedway (which was very apparent to all Diamonds supporters this year) and although Josh Auty may seem an uninspiring signing, the chances are that he was one of the few decent riders available to your promotion. I’d be very surprised if you manage to bring in a big name at number 1 unless you throw silly money at someone, but even that might not work and isn’t a wise thing to do anyway. Unfortunately, whilst the new Birmingham promotion establishes itself, things will inevitably take a step back as they are playing catch up and rider confidence in them needs to grow. A lot of people seem to be overlooking these points and it frustrates me to see people seemingly surprised that the names being signed are not superstars. They won’t be and expectations should be realistic. Although they haven’t been announced, it doesn’t mean riders haven’t signed elsewhere already. I only had to read other teams threads to work that out. Try not to be too disappointed in Birmingham’s signings, as I’m sure they will be doing the very best they can with the cards they are holding.

Not sure anyone wants that wage bill around their necks for very little return again

Can't see there is the budget for marquee signings? Some clubs it would seem are still paying well over the odds and the kind of level that some in the Championship can't sustain. I've heard that's the reason why a few won't be joining us as they have been offered silly money elsewhere. Better to have a solid 1-7 and to win some home matches on a well prepared track and to enjoy the spectacle than to take silly risks. It's vital that the budget and income match so that we transition in to 2023 and grow in small steps. Let's get the basics right, entertaining speedway on a well prepared track. Sorry if this is boring for some, but it's a lot less boring than losing speedway altogether.

Almost halfway to being unbeatable

Correct... it was apparently a "little misunderstanding" however that nice fella Rob Godfrey got things sorted so @Neila can get down off his high horse and credit to the Chairman of the BSPL for resolving the minor blip... It will save @Neila a couple of quid as he will still be able to use his old Hat; Scarf; Clip Board; Jacket; Flag; Beanie; Pyjamas; Underpants; Sweat Shirt; Polo Shirt; H18tory Hoodie and Advertising Strip in the back window of his car. "Win Win" (Win Win Win Win Win Win Win Win Win and Win) there then Neil eh... Hugs and Kisses to big Bad Rob G as all's well that ends well eh Neil... Come on Workington Barbarians... Oops... Regards THJ

speedway , it is what it is . a part time ,£10 pound sport trying to be a professional one ,

What an annoying wee nonce... okay you have got a bite (you've been trying for long enough)... and you have been told what the situation is... however on the issue to hand just about any company can be a sponsor... we (as a company) have just done it for one of our European Employees and as Crescent Girl points out it is time consuming but it isn't that expensive (we felt) and once you can show 12 months of trading you can apply for a Sponsors Licence. The important thing to note here is you should have 12 months of trading and produced a full set of accounts before you can apply to be a sponsor... it has nothing to do with the BSPL it is driven by the British Government and if you don't have 12 months worth of trading accounts you can not apply for the licence so being a new promotion with no trading accounts is a critical factor... 12 month into the job its a different story and you can apply for your own licence (or you can tie into another clubs licence which I wont go into here but it can be done) However costs for a licence are Type of licence Fee for small or charitable sponsors Fee for medium or large sponsors Worker £536 £1,476 Temporary Worker £536 £536 Worker and Temporary Worker £536 £ 1,476 Add a Worker licence to an existing Temporary Worker licence No fee £940 Add a Temporary Worker licence to an existing Worker licence No fee No fee I would suggest that Speedway comes under a small or charitable sponsor as you are usually a small sponsor if at least 2 of the following apply: your annual turnover is £10.2 million or less your total assets are worth £5.1 million or less you have 50 employees or fewer https://www.gov.uk/uk-visa-sponsorship-employers Furthermore the employee (in this case the rider) has to obtain a relevant visa and permit to enable them to enter the country and work which also has a cost attached (for someone)... its complicated until you get your head round it... so any Speedway fan who can get their head around the intricacies of the Speedway rules and regulations book will have no trouble with it as it is only half as complicated as they are... So don't keep trying to correct what you perceive as "some of the nonsense previously spread" as it is blatantly obvious you don't have a clue what you are talking about and worst of all because you don't know what you are on about you think it is okay to make up your own little version and stick it on here as being fact. All this has been covered in previous posts that you thought were nonsense then however hit the link and look at the facts and apply them to the situation to hand and you will see the facts (FACTS) for yourself its all there to read... There are none so blind as those who cant see... or aren't prepared to and who would much rather be an antagonistic little Pratt... Regards THJ