stevebrum

average wouldn't apply , should be 7 like they brought in this year. Milik and THJ would be upgraded as standard set as 7. Gomolski, Milik and Cyfer won't start on those low averages. missed a year out so will need reassessing. that's assuming they keep the PL conversions. Don't need to when you have actual EL draft averages tho. we don't know the rules for 2017. reassessed average like Lindback. but not Lindback? ? Explain? ?? Wolves has won best prepared track 4 out the past 5 seasons. So hardly naff.

2. Wolves exempt as well. We know the reasons why they won't come. Not enough money Too many meetings Too many different race nights Poor prepared tracks No squads

Everyone seems to have assumed that. I certainly haven't. I think some have assumed it was Wolves that was on Harris's wish list. Bomber knows where he is going that much is sure. I won't lose sleep either way who he signs for other than as an honest rider I'd be happy if he did sign for us. Fair point and very valid. However Masters has been a slow burner and could have possibly achieved more if he didn't have time out with visa issues. I'd say there is little between them tho.

so we carry on with the usual make it up as you go along rubbish then! He would be a huge gamble if he did. His commitment to the UK has been poor and has failed to produce anything like he foreign abilities. Seems to have gone backwards for the past few seasons.

Of course fairness would be great for all. But name me a sport where no one or few teams don't dominate ?All this talk of 'ringers', 'rigging' and 'ridiculously low averages' - how on earth do you implement something like that fairly? ? Nearly impossible. If all riders should be given clearer and fair averages then what is the point of even having averages then? What is different about bringing the world champion into the side (at the start of the season) on his real average and then drop 2 points off it AS WORLD CHAMPION to bringing him back a year and a half later on that low average AS WORLD CHAMPION? ? If one is wrong then both are wrong. As for the Woffy situation. You aren't the first one to call out his 'ridiculously low average'. But how fair was it for Wolves who had to endure that ridiculously low level of performance for the WHOLE of 2014?? I notice nobody called foul play at the time or attempting to cheat for the future. So Wolves suffered a whole season yet it would be 'fair' to have to have his REAL average altered because it isn't fair to other teams??? Not fair at all. Wolves had to suffer 2 seasons because the world champion rode poor and achieved a poor average because of it. So its only fitting the team who suffered that year was able to take advantage of it. The travesty would have been Woffy racing for the Aces, Poole, Lakeside or Swindon and them getting an unjust advantage. If we are going to do things 'fairly' then any rider missing a season out of the EL must be re-assessed and preferably any rider of GP standard or Polish and Swedish top flight team places should have one agreed average that isn't altered to suit any one club. As far as PL riders moving up, do we need a new way of assessing their abilities and yet again why aren't their current PL averages the fairest way of assessing their convertion?

Anders Thomsen if on his PL average would be a good bet.

Depends how you judge it. Fricke has done really well in the Swedish and Polish leagues whilst Masters is above him in the EL even tho marginally 7.18 to 7.08 plus Masters did a decent job for Oz in the WTC. Fricke is younger so may be the better longer term prospect but it wouldn't surprise me if Masters achieves more either. Fricke has added just under a point to his starting average (6.16) whilst Masters started lower 5.60 and ended higher in the EL. Masters for me.

I didn't think national league teams could have assets??

Not disagreeing with you entirely but having watched racing at all levels and many tracks Wolves still offer decent racing.

A poster on here has already confirmed they heard, assuming you aren't prepared them a liar? Heard in the stands. Time to move this on as it's been debated to death.At least one fan heard it and whether Tai heard it is not confirmed.

I agree, but you didn't see many saying that his signing was a good move. A slow burner like Doyle IMHO.

What do you want, a hand written apology signed in blood? I have already said if Richie didn't swear as I've already stated then obviously I retract that statement (I assume you afford me the same respect you gave Woffy for removing his remark? ?). you keep on dragging up that you are trying to prove me wrong when I've already accepted that. You yourself in your previous statement have confirmed that one person heard the offending comment , so we can agree it was said then I guess. No idea what 'smug attitude' you refer to, I have already stated that I was more than likely wrong in not hearing the interview correctly and have now agreed the remark about Richie was not warranted. So I guess we can wrap it up. so no Gordon Bennett wasn't right. Sometimes you have to be the bigger man to accept sometimes you have got something wrong. I have no issue with that. No further comment is required unless you would like to accept that I was wrong of course.

Don't forget the master stroke of bringing Masters in when some I recall thought he would struggle at EL level. Huge signing.

I have already said it's unclear what Richie said hence my added comment hence why Nigel apologised. I've listened to it 6 times and I still can't be sure what he said! so I'm more than happy to give him the benefit of the doubt if that's what you claim to be correct. There IS clear evidence the comment about Rob was made however if Tai is aware of it or heard it us unlikely to be concluded. It's clear that I question things I'm unsure of! Better read the comment above then.

I've replayed them several times as both times Nigel said apologies for any bad language. can't tell if Lemon is saying blo*dy or the F word, ditto Worrall. Discussed to death maybe but no clear evidence to support it wasn't swearing. I'm not looking for a rise in the slightest, I'm suggesting that in defence of the dreadful comment made (likely by one person) by one fan to Tai and the persistent barracking of him everytime he appeared he to got caught up in the 'cauldron atmosphere' so a little forgiveness all round sounds fair. All I was ever saying was that Tai had his reasons for the social media comment which wasn't great,nor were comments made from others mentioned either.

Did you miss my comment that the NSS is a step above any track in the country? Sky always make a big thing about coming to wolves because the racing is often good and consistent. I stand by that comment. Absolutely. Tight technical tracks aren't great to learn on unless you have some experience in your pocket.

no one knows what Woffy did or didn't hear. Maybe he was already riled by the excessive booing. Either way he had the last laugh. Aces fans/Aces fan.does it matter? Comment was despicable, the who are ya comments is going to wind anyone up. However the result is more important, wolves and Woffy won, Aces fans nil. Music to my ears! that's debatable, hence why it's still being discussed. He is, the fans at Cardiff proved that and will again next season. Must try harder. Just catching up with this meeting. All this talk about Woffy being unprofessional. Ht9 Richie Worrall swears when interviewed - very unprofessional. Ht10 Cook virtually storms across in front of PK on the 4th bend and could have been nasty if he clipped Peter yet behaves like a petulant child when it's done to him. Don't dish it if you can't take it back. Ht11 the belle Vue team manager swearing in an interview prior to the race. Even worse professional behaviour. Haven't yet heard any Wolves swearing.

Sorry no clutching at straws. I would defend any rider being 'attacked' in such a personal way. I have seen many riders giving the other sides fans verbal and hand gestures as it's the fan school gave created it in the first place! Tai like most riders are human. You drive a rider by barracking him to lose his cool you get what you deserve IMHO. Defend it all you want. If Tai chooses to see fans who boo him as scum then that is his perogative. Whether that is right or wrong is part of the reason why this discussion is on going I guess!

I'm not sure. Maybe he doesn't want to make the issue personal and is happy that booing is enough to make his comment. Are you honestly saying that pre racing and post racing when Tai is on the track with his helmet off that he WOULDN'T hear people shouting comments at him? I have no doubt he heard something that upset him hence the social media comment. There is no defending such comments either.

You must be asleep a lot when sky have shown meetings from wolves over the years then as several of them have been regarded as classics and a lot of visiting fans have made the same comments. You are kidding yourself if you believe Monmore hasn't offered thrillers down the years. The NSS is a step above everything else in the country I agree doesn't mean that wolves have not had superb racing and meetings this year tho.

He is probably too busy outing more people on public forums.

you got to him and you got what you deserved then! I made the comment about Cardiff, and yes you can be sure he will have by far the largest cheer in 2017. We don't know why he made his comment, booing and negative comments may all come under the same umbrella for Tai. If you take the booing and comments about his dad into account then it's a natural response. It seems the only ones who disagree are Aces fans and Taiwan haters, no real surprise there! But those fans mentioning his dad are scum so he was right saying it.

They would be a good addition but not in place of the EL's best prepared track. Wolves gives some of the best racing anywhere.

he had 1 season out. He took a year out from the EL a few years back and it didn't work so can't see him making the same mistake again.

bit like the classy comments from the aces fans about his dad. Tasteless. no he didn't but it's all only an opinion anyway. Exactly. There was a reason why he wasn't excluded for the same reason.