THE DEAN MACHINE

brilliant lets just carry on ignoring the team sport concept and think about the riders pockets , that's going to end one way and we are already 3/4 of the way there the sport has got to find itself again , takes 2 steps back to take a step forward , currently we a wondering from calamity to calamity and we don't know where we are heading or what we are but the I am alright jack attitude of some in the sport has to come to an end ,even those people can see we are in trouble , we have to find a sound footing as a sport and build from there , it may not sit well with some but the bottom is where we are and until we acknowledge that and address the basics we will never recover, you can use gimmicks and name changes all you like it will never change a thing ,get the basics right ,get the team ethic going again like it is in all other team sports and people will given time get behind their teams and as proven with a lot of sports the product on show doesn't need to be thrilling as the fans are happy as their team is winning and will happily return because they feel like it theirs

count me out then and many others cause I want team speedway with teams not the select sides made up of other teams , it's a joke and quite frankly an embarrassment to a once sensible sport

yes it is , identity, credibility , it's a team sport ,I don't support my local team anymore because they are not my team they are someone else's

and you will still get some on here trying to justify doubling up

not a fan of falubaz but love the passion of their fans for their team

seems Mr Benidorm has been creating his own headlines again ,surely the trust can see the damage he is doing to their cause ?

yes sorry totally confused by the sport these days

i was a championship fan but I not attending meetings at all cause I can't identify with the "team " that's being served up , 2 ride for Ipswich , 2 ride for Edinburgh and I rides for Sheffield , that's not a team that's a swingers club

it was shown on magazine programme , nasty crash for iversen

We are at the point where we have got to stop finding reasons why we can't get rid of doubling up and work at solutions to get rid of it and for anybody who doesn't think doubling up is a problem ask you partner/wife is it's alright to spend a couple of days with another woman who lives up the road , see how that goes

I think it quite a decent meeting although I do struggle to get into the team format of it Good final

Who dictates the bikes are the less forgiving bikes that they are today ? Tracks haven't changed

a few months ago there was a massive auction in Italy of bikes, cars etc , along with ferraris ,porches and other high end cars there were around 30 speedway/ grasstrack bikes , from japs to GMs ,it was all recovered from someone who was being done for tax fraud , was it this guy ? The cars could be anybody but the speedway bikes must of been someone with a speedway background

The answer is to find out how many riders want to race in Britain next year , if there is enough then doubling up gets scraped , if there isn't enough then we find another solution . Maybe only Brits can double up ?? After all wasn't that what doubling up was originally for

there isn't enough British riders but there is enough riders , someone on here last year did some statistics and said last season enough riders rode in the uk last season to fill all the teams for this year , I really think we should adopt the polish system, no averages top 5 any rider but every team has to include one Brit and the reserves have to be British under 21 , they can stay there until they 22 , each team signs 3or 4 reserves and the ones that don't get picked that week can double down , I know people will argue that the wealthiest team will get all the best riders but as shown with leszno last season and Torun this year paying top dollar for the best doesn't work

while guest are a neccerary evil for covering injury although there has got to be a better way doubling up is an evil that is neither wanted or needed , there is enough riders who would commit to ride here there is no excuse

not swindon fans but my Mrs her dad , my mum and to a point me and a few mates all don't go anymore to domestic speedway because we feel we don't have a "team" to support even though the team is still there and that is the same all over the country, riders become hero's not because of their success it's because the fans form a bond with them ,when a fan thinks back we can always think of a rider who we thought was great and they became one of our hero's when in reality the were rubbish but it didn't matter they were our rubbish ,not all fans have walked away cause of doubling up but until the terraces are packed we have got to change the sport and looking at the responses on this thread doubling up seem high on the agenda

you don't seem to understand the concept of team sports , team sports are tribel they are based on loyalty and the fans believe that the riders are theirs , there has to be a loyalty ortherwise the concept is lost and the fans don't go which is where we are close to now , there is enough riders to achieve 1 rider 1 team this has been proven by others on other threads about this subject , riders are dictating the sport at the moment and that has got to stop but as we every idea put forward there is a "it won't work, we can't do that" mentality and we plod into oblivion , you only have to look at the responses about the GTR ," it doesn't compete, it's a waste of money" while completely missing the point of in the long term this could of been a massive cut in costs while the product stays similar but no we get a short term short sighted answers , the fact is the sport is going to change but it's going to end financially painful for the riders because of the collective dismissal of any way forward

i don't have a link but it was in the express & star newspaper last week

Double up/ down has all but killed British domestic team speedway

by hard to set up I mean on the track not as in timing , on the old dt500 jawa they needed loads more fuel to get them to go , not sure why they are so hard to get going well but history tells anybody when it comes to speedway double over cams don't work

If he rides again got to be NP

while this is fine in the GPs ,this tuner based situation is what domestic speedway needs to get away from ,is it not healthy where tuners are dictating success, how we achieve this is a tough one but a solution would benefit speedway

I've bet on czestochowa to win the league , doesn't look like it is going to happen but was worth a punt with such big odds of 150-1

no it hasn't improved the sport but it certainly has increased the unpredictable nature of the bike and rocketed the cost