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He's brought it on himself over recent months, the facade has slipped and we're seeing he's just like plenty of others. So no he's not that bad but he sure ain't what he has presented himself as for all these years. He couldn't have picked a worse time to do what he did in terms of this forum, there's hardly any speedway to digest, so he's the focus of attention.

Ah right, well in that case where can I sign the petition to strip Hancock of the title? Seriously though there should be a heavy price for what he did in walking out of the meeting.

Just got in and caught this thread, interesting but the burning question for me is, does this mean we may have to suffer Bjerre getting a place now? If so then it may be best to leave well alone and let Hancock keep the crown.

Well I'm not part of any brigade but you're right, he did help Holder to win the event, well spotted.

Don't you start on him too, I felt bad enough over 'ungroppious' but it did need addressing.

Spot on, that's my gripe too, the race throwing was dealt with swiftly and I was impressed, Hancock's subsequent actions are what turned me totally against him, as you say he gave no thought whatsoever to the people who had shelled out their hard earned to watch the meeting. I hope they give him a ban and a heavy fine for walking out. I was sat here thinking what great wordage but I had to look it up for a literal meaning, no luck though. So is it anything to do with Donald Trump type behaviour with the Monster girls? If so then he's gone even further down in my estimation, those poor start girls....

I don't who makes up the jury but I'm sure it was Castagna who gave Hancock his winners medal and a kiss on each cheek, surely he must have some bearing on such a decision. Couldn't agree more about them making the decision straight away, totally unexpected on my part, thought it would be another of those things that get dealt with in secret, it was refreshing to see it dealt with so quickly, sends out a warning to any potential cheats and lets all the riders know who's boss.

I'd have to re-watch it but I didn't think either Kelvin or Nigel picked up on it during the race, I'm sure it was only after a couple of replays that they even discussed it, then again were they actually over there, or just sat in a UK studio? I've always been neutral regarding Hancock but his withdrawal from the meeting was the wrong move imo, lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. He will definitely be remembered for today's antics and they will overshadow his fantastic achievements. Shame on you Greg Hancock..

You too mate, time for hibernation

Don't be so hard on yourself, your post isn't that bad.

Holder gifts Masters a point and then uses a cigarette butt to make it look like bike problems, where will this end..

Well there is some really determined racing going on for the top 8, great ride from Iversen there.

Ok I take that back, he is now a disgrace to the sport, pulling out of the meeting should cost him dearly, I'd love it if he were stripped of the title but I doubt it will go that far.

Well I wouldn't go that far but he's certainly let himself down just there. I doubt he will care in the long run but at least they didn't mess around with retrospective punishment and actually showed some teeth.

That's the way to deal with cheating, hit em hard straight away, very unsporting of Hancock and he got what he deserved.

Well just in case your curiosity gets the better of you just jump on this fella's youtube channel (the guy with the leather cap) a couple of hours after the meeting and the GP should be there in full if the rest of the season is anything to go by. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LQCnmTrPRc Don't thank me, thank racers & royals, he's the lord of the links in these parts. I'm also nonplussed about this one but seeing as I finish work about 6am on Saturday I will endeavour to stay awake for it, after all it's a long winter without any live speedway.

So you were wrong in calling Richie very unprofessional, is that what you're saying? Here's the problem though, you say there is clear evidence of the comments about Rob, can you elaborate please? There's only one person on here who has said they heard this abuse, funnily enough the same poster has confirmed that Richie didn't swear. So if you are willing to rely 100% with that poster's account of the abuse why would you not accept that Richie didn't swear and admit you were wrong? Thing is Steve you haven't said you were wrong in calling Richie unprofessional for swearing on tv, you just offered the benefit of doubt because it's what I claim. It seems Gordon Bennett is correct in his post above. I'm done with this now, wouldn't normally bother dragging things out to this degree but you wound me up with your lies and smug attitude.

You just won't have it will you, stick some earphones on and have a proper listen, I've already told you what Richie Worrall said but you continue to suggest he swore and don't accept you are wrong on this one. Just because Nigel apologised for it doesn't mean it happened. I can't do more than hand you the evidence on a plate, what other evidence would you need to put you in a position to say you were wrong in calling Richie unprofessional? I've already forgiven Tai for the scum comment because he's retracted/removed it. You seem to conveniently believe that someone shouted something about his late father yet there is no 'clear evidence' of this, that's having double standards. Do you know of any other sick comments that were made, or are you just relying on hearsay. I know it's getting heavy going but sometimes these things just get accepted as fact because they are referred to enough times, well I don't think it's fair on Richie or the Belle Vue crowd. You have the evidence regarding Richie yet can't hear it, you have no evidence whatsoever regarding any sick comments about Rob Woffinden but you choose to believe they were made. Let's move on then eh, it's clear you won't accept that you were wrong.

I suggest you go back over the recording of the meeting and then come back and tell me Richie Worrall swore, he didn't, been done to death a couple of days ago. In fact here you go, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LQCnmTrPRc the interview is @ 1.05 & 50secs and he says "felt like I didn't have any speed". Not one swear word thoughout the whole interview, in fact it was a very cool interview considering he'd just beaten the World Champion. Might seem trivial but you called him very unprofessional and I don't think that's fair As for Mark Lemon, before ht11 he said in answer to a question from Chris Louis re the behind closed doors team chat, "Just getting out of the cold Chris, it's bloody freezing". How very unprofessional is that Steve? Even if anyone did use worse language it would have been understandable in the cauldron atmosphere that had been created by the Belle Vue fans. Nobody is saying Wolves didn't deserve to win but you seem to be looking for a rise by spouting about winning when there is no argument from any Belle Vue posters, the better team won and that's that, again congratulations to Wolves, especially PK. Sometimes Steve it's better not to try and defend someone when they are clearly in the wrong. You were the one who quoted Tai's posting calling Belle Vue fans scum, he has since, sensibly, retracted that word yet you still seem to think he can do no wrong. That scum comment has been pretty much the only thing any Aces fans have a beef with, the banter at the track was just banter and enjoyed by all it seems. One poster says they heard a comment about Rob Woffinden while on the back straight terrace, it's almost certain that Tai wouldn't have heard that same comment, so the word scum was unwarranted. I think we can forget all about the Rob Woffinden insult, it's completely unsubstantiated, which is strange considering the terrace was packed fairly solid. Got to say if I had heard such a derogatory comment as has been suggested I would have sought the perpetrator and had words myself, that goes for whatever team they or I were supporting. So maybe you should just try and enjoy your victory instead of looking for negatives to throw the way of Belle Vue. Well done Wolves, worthy winners of the 2016 Play off Final.

Just to keep the pot boiling eh

We can only deal with what he actually said, or posted, the quote you posted stated fans were scum for booing him. Only one poster on here has said they actually heard anything specific and they said it was about his dad, if true that is unforgivable but other than that it's just booing and chanting who are ya. Plenty have said how the crowd helped to ramp up the already tense atmosphere, surely that is a positive, booing comes with the territory if you want an atmosphere. I dread to think what would have happened if he'd slid off in his tac ride, Aces fans would be accused of cheering a fallen rider blah blah blah. So, one person has said they heard abuse mentioning Rob and we all latch on to that, fair enough. It was a fantastic final and it's a shame this thread has ended up with backbiting about something someone random happened to hear.

Bang on the money, I can remember being 10y/o and scared when I approached Olsen in the pits for his autograph, I thought he may have known I'd been booing him for all I was worth just minutes earlier. Luckily he didn't recognise me and signed accordingly.

None of my business but would it not be worth asking robert72 if he still has his kevlars and if he's free on the 22nd? He's lined up against World Champions in the past and maybe could still do a job in a patched up side.

Well he was dissing my City..

The airport is 8 miles from the centre of Manchester, it's one road all the way, a dual carriageway that becomes a motorway for the last 3 miles or so. 25 minutes drive in traffic. Driving to it from the south invariably means using the M6/M56 but there are alternatives, A34 for example.