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No you are right and i was as chuffed as anyone,but in all honesty Tai should not of even been in lasts years WC was that fair.?Like the old WC you know the rules take your good fortune as it comes along Tai did and he was a deserved winner.

You are right about the rollers,but lets be honest Ivan had his fair share over the years.Also in that run off it was his riding that cost him the title.

Right was that when you used the word Pillocks and being worthy!!

I don't pretend to know,all i know is they're are others who have commented on this thread who have years of experience who join in the debate and listen to others opinions whether they are right or wrong do you.?

Dave i can't disagree about Jerzy, i can remember Ivan saying that he knew Sczcakiel was a force and knew he had as much chance as Plech for that final.Ivan if he had used his head would of picked him off i have no doubt but as in life it is sometimes swings and roundabouts.Ivan in my opinion was lucky in 72 but your good point about the old qualifying system is so true.Riders knew the rules before they set out on they're path and real favourites of mine in all honesty had poor records in WFinals (ie) E.Boocock, P.Crump,S.Autrey, relative to there real ability so as you said all of the real greats won it at least once? Farndon and Duggan would of no doubt? and often wondered why Jack Parker did not ever win it. You still have not answered the question, why is your opinion more worthy? They're are other members who have commented on this thread who are well respected in speedway and are still involved.They know more than most what is happening now and what has happened in the past but they listen to others opinions which is what debate is about isn't it.?

What makes you think your opinion is anymore worthy than Halifaxtiger?

Did you go to many Finals? are you telling me in the series now? the gate positions now at times are not a lottery.Also like other oldies on here, we are not old fans we have not stopped going i have also said they're are alot of good things in speedway now but they're are certain thing,s in the past that were good also. Why be sorry? a great thread different OPINIONS which is what this forum is all about.

. A great post Dave, you are like me we both liked the Old Finals and we were both very lucky to see them.You also seem to acknowledge that things have moved on and you have also said like me that things were not always perfect back then.The GP series i have come around to liking it,but at some of the rounds i do get bored with it.The old World FInals what i liked about it there was a chance for the UNDERDOG national league riders could pitch in with the big boys they were involved.Now dress it up as much as you like it is a closed shop in reality,and your best point being we all know they're are a few in the field now like years ago that have zilch chance of winning the championship.In my memory i think JERZY was the only winner who in my mind didnt deserve to win a title.Even Egon who we all knew was a great motorcyclist deserved to win on the day he was the best.So in all those years of the old WC maybe? we had 1 undeserved winner that isn't bad is it all the true greats won with a load along the way that were unlucky.

But the old World Final has served its purpose! ok it had its faults but now the GP series is just as unfair a closed shop (ie not every rider now can even enter the WC.

No i think you for one are just grasping at straws, the sport has been in a far healthier state than now but has not moved forward.Hand on heart now i really fear for the future, don't see much hope and most of the positive stuff i hear are from people who have been involved in the sport for years.No innovation no new ideas no real new blood no one new who could make a difference.

The past is something that most supporters new or old would not mind a bit of at this present time.

Totally wrong ok life moves on but you have to sometimes shrive to emulate what has happened in the past.That is the benchmark for me now to be honest the sport looks out on its feet certainly in the EL the Premier looks ok.As for PC god you have to listen ok you don't have to agree with everything he says but i listen to every word he contributes (ie) a great rider and has seen thing,s from every angle.

Great one Oldace you could not resist, now make sure you don't get to excited and end up p.....g yourself that would be unfortunate.

What a miserable old git you are, happy new year to you.!!

You are always right, and how patronising are you! in the week you treated Catseyes with disdain no opology and i can't see him/her coming back on here anytime soon.Why do you have to belittle people? with me i could not care less when you debate it is not always about being right you can never quite grasp that.

I actually believe you are box office, i don't believe i have ever spoke to anyone else that is so cock sure and self righteous as yourself a massive weakness on your part.

What is the point again as i have told Witcher it is all to do with a opinion, this total tosh of being fact makes me laugh the old rule was far from perfect but the rule now in place for me makes the sport look like a circus.

Nothing really but you don't seem to add anything in my book no substance, certainly Sarcasm and even on other sport topics very little really such a shame.!Also did you say or did i imagine it that Worrall and Bates were no hopers? Have a think before you comment that would be a wise option.

Yes but you have not got the knowledge my friend, out of all the Robins fans i know Hagonsshocker (ect) the fans i know they know they're stuff I am afraid you do not fit in that category you talk well though.! Harsh but true?!

Vince i wouldn't be against this,go by the programme and let the racing do the talking.I have never been one that likes to see a win at all costs mentality i have seen the Robins finish bottom 3? times.It has never bothered me as long as i see some decent racing i am happy.

Thanks for that!

No not attacking just giving as good as i get, no more no less. RIght!

Not foolish but you make me laugh, i have too laugh you are so sure of yourself you are up your own ass are you and Bewitcher twin brothers.!!?

Your world from what i have heard is a few too many pints!!

Right in your world!!