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Are you sure? My take on it is i suppose you know the rules beforehand and go with it.The playoffs in football is here to stay and it is a success financially wise,do i believe a club who has got 70 pts out of a season lose to somebody who has 56 no that is not fair in my book.There is similarities in speedway and football in a way i would like the outrite champions in speedway to get rewarded but maybe there is a cup final scenario for the rest with the champions in the mix with the other 3 only a thought?Being champions over a period surely has to be rewarded,?

Perfectly explained Witcher,for an a example of how this new rule is fairer i wonder what Reading fans think?

In all my years going when the old rule was intact,i never really heard people moaning about the tactical rule.For me it usually meant seeing the oppositions no 1 an extra time which was great.Now with this Micky mouse rule which no one likes it makes the sport look like a circus Unfair or Fair everyone has a right to a OPINION on this matter.

As usual you are RIGHT, you always are,again you have never grasped what the word opinion means.On this forum i have never heard once from you that you could be WRONG! a massive weakness on your part.

How sad are you? when it comes to the nitty gritty of debating you have not got a clue.!!

I am all for the British lads getting the chance, but are you saying the fans should not have a say in the matter? Myself if my business was in the mire, i would would want to know what the paying public was thinking and maybe feed off that and try to improve things.

But i feel Bates was unlucky he showed later on in other guest appearances he has talent he beat Doyle on merit.Douglas who i felt would average 6 that going on reports and he had some impressive results in Aussie in which i see on you tube.He struggled bigtime but the Scunny promotion stuck with him where maybe others would not of and fair play to them they have a decent prospect.Going back to Bates if Scunny had performed to they're potential they might of been able to carry him but i do believe Bates has potential.

Good points and i will never deny that you talk alot of sense.I am all for the Brits getting a chance i pray for this to work maybe it will maybe it won't.My main gripe is that the public never got a say in the matter no real research on what the fans wanted.Saying that as the PL are not not on the same wavelength as the EL which for me is a disgrace the sport should be united together.But the PL have they're own agenda (which they have earned) and as it stands they're product is pretty good myself i would love the leagues to work together.

Not really Addio it would be great to have a debate with him but what's the point same old doom and gloom.As for you are you still on the side of promoting NL riders? i did see a reaction from you getting a bit hot under the collar!! so you can be wound up also made i chuckle ( ie Cook can do do no wrong).!

You ain't certainly Orion, the Robins sign two youngsters in Worrall and Bates and you say before they have turned a wheel they are NO HOPERS.I have also only had one ban mainly because idiots like you get on my goat never a good word to say.

Your arrogance Oldace makes me laugh, how do you know Ray has a low knowledge about other sports? i don't see alot of past evidence showing that you are that knowledgeable you i think are in your own little world.

Spot on Ray is all that to much to ask.?

Dont let them win Catseyes! they're are loads of decent folk on here who are great to debate with you happen to have been torn to shreads by two people who in all honesty are known for there actions its they're way or no way.Why on earth would anyone call you a LIAR? i have had endless chats with people about the rules (ect) as probably many other forum members have to.

Not a rant it is just my OPINION, ( you have never quite grasped that word ) you on the other hand on this thread have shown your true colours totally out of order with your comments about Catseyes.A decent thread why would you react like that? border lining on nastiness would not be so bad but you are only a Part time supporter.

Most people i know who moan,do so because they are really passionate about the sport.And the years of frustration where the sport has just not progressed really gets to people.Also about the tact rule,if they're was a vote on it now from fans what do you think the result would be?.I cannot for the life of me believe the rule then was more un fairer than this Micky mouse rule now in place.The promoters also are not idiots and they pay the bills so they have a right to do what they want to do.But do they ever really listen to the CUSTOMER? seems not as for this promoting riders NL fastracking riders who are not ready is a recipe for disaster.Do people remember? Surman,Leaver, Whittaker,Tagg,Pinder,Cobby, and endless others all lost to the sport after being thrown to the wolves before they were ready.

I have changed my opinion a little over the years, the series now is in a great way and i do enjoy it.But for me the one off meetings were exciting and believe it or not apart from Jerzy generally the right riders won it.Ok sometimes in the wrong year (Briggs would of won in 72) Olsen unlucky) Nielsen unlucky but his class carried him through.For me to qualify on MERIT EVERYEAR is so different to now now there is a safety net to win a one off final was a different quality and mental strength needed.Now the series has moved on buggered our league up but it is a great product no doubt about that.

Is Auty being moved down the order because later on in meetings the dirt drifts out which suits him? If he is on his game he will be no 1 again, i think if he gets back on track he can average 9.5/ to10 at Scunny can at least put a point on his average.

One of the best posts on this thread, i went to every meeting at the Abbey last year and i can with regret say most weeks you were lucky to see three or four decent races a night.Dragged out meetings, R/R, guests, D/uppers missing ( lack of meetings in which people got used to not going and spending there money on other things.At the end of the season i believed speedway had a chance to forget about Sky and revamp the EL again they have again shirked the real issues.What amazes me is that with the sport in the sh.. the fans have again not had any input on any of the decisions being made a big mistake in my view.Synikalle i can understand his frustration, but i hope he reconsiders his intention of not going in England again as he will miss the sport as i would if i stopped going.Fingers crossed i hope the changes work out, i will always support the sport i believe it is in your blood and for alot of people it becomes a habit which you have for life.

I totally agree the GP riders should go the sport should of been brave and tried to start again without sky. And balance the books and pay only what they can afford also this myth about helping British youngsters is total rubbish.

. A really good post i agree with everything, the intention looks good but i cannot see how it can work.This idea i would of liked seen happen in the PL with national league British lads getting extended runs at that level.But I believe the PL has its own very good product and should be able to run there shop as they seem fit it is the EL that is at deaths door.For me the big decision was that the GP stars have to go it is not practicle and this cost cutting measure really is a Kop out at addressing a big problem.Saying that i hope some Brits make progress and are not just turning up knowing they will only score a point or two and those points will be only against riders of there own ability.

A great track one of the best days out of the year, also they had a nice clubhouse which did a nice pint.Trips to Halifax the great Hyde rd and Owlerton were what made the old BL very special.

Why is Morris the odvious choice? he has not won anything yet he talks well.Saying that for me it is not all about winning silverware that makes the difference who do i think would be the best English manager.For me Rossiter is the odvious choice paid his dues, mascot, rider, team manager been involved in speedway all his life deserves his chance a bloody hard job though.

DId you think we just had to turn up to beat Latvia? Just except it at the moment we are not good anough is Morris a messiah no.Myself i dont feel he has done anywhere near anough to get the job no one around to challenge him i suppose Rossiter would be my choice.

Alot of clubs have fell by the wayside , but alot have survived and plodded on and keep on going.I would say the early 60s was a decent time but now it is a modern world with endless other activities to rival speedway now is a testing time no doubt.

Great stuff Dave a few more programmes filled in and out the way thanks again.