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You do realise the Premiership is still 25% stronger than the Championship right?

It should certainly be the target for 2019. I'd have limited it to 2 double uppers in 2017, 1 in 2018 and none in 2019.

Already. Brilliant

So someone comes on here complaining about rumours and lies and then lies when asked for proof. Hortons name has been mentioned twice on this thread. Once by you and once in reference to if Coventry didnt run. When this thread was started BV and Leicester didn't have promoters announced. Someone asked what would happen if that remained the case. Yes it was a little OTT but lets not forget, at one time Coventry were fully announced and that fell through for a while. And other clubs over the years have been announced but it hasn't happened. So asking the question wasn't unfair. Someone has already explained the relevance of Sky and less than 8 teams. You have chosen to read the post in a negative way, that says more about you than the people posting.

Which rumour exactly? Someone commented on the the state of something, which at the time was correct. You appear to have read something into it that wasn't there, thinking it was a rumour. It's rarely the people posting things that are starting rumours, it the people who read what they want to read and not what has been written,

Its not so much not having the car to get their but the time. I work in Caerphilly and can just about, with a heavy right foot get to Brandon for a 7.30 start. But I stand zero chance of getting to Leicester. As it is, I'm probably not he person to listen as I've only been to 4 or 5 meetings in each of the last few years but I won't be the only one in this situation. Some people just won't be able to get to Leicester for 7.30. It might work as a short term thing for the first 2 or 3 meetings (meeting 1 people will be keen. Meeting 2 vs Leicester so big "away" following) and meeting 3 vs Poole (bit of a grudge meeting so always likely to get a decent crowd) but after that support will wane until the team is back at Brandon by then.

So that rumour I posted about in here, the one that made laugh? Was true, Sandhu is back

While we only ever met a handful of times, Dennis was a friend who I loved to spend time chatting. It was often about speedway as you would expect but also just about life generally. After the first time I met him he invited me to stay at his and I just took it as someone being polite. After that every time we met he would tell me if for not taking up the invite. Without a shadow of a doubt he was one of the nicest, kindest and friendliest people I have ever met. It was a great honour to call Dennis a friend. He'll be missed by me and as I said we only met a handful of times so I can only begin to imagine how long the list of others who will also miss him must be. A truly great guy. RIP Dennis.

More than 1,000 turn up at Brandon every weeks. If Coventrys crowds are an issue then so are everyone else's.

Well someone needs to tell the Coventry press guy that he's due to release a statement as he's not aware of any statement being released! The news paper reporting more "fake news"

We're missing an away meeting at Swindon. Check the dates and if one of them is a Thursday it might be the day we're actually at Swindon.

They're all scum. They steal from me. Out of curiosity, what do you/they do as a job? Little bit different as it's their money in the first place. It's also not illegal.

I've had work on BBC, ITV, S4C and Sky FWIW. And yes, you have hit a sore point, you are encouraging people to steal MY work. Why are you having so much trouble getting this? I work hard, sometimes horribly long hours on projects so when I see people discussing how it's a victimless crime, it's not rerally a crime, everyone does it, it's acceptable to do it then yes it pisses me off! Just because you don't "pay" for ITV and BBC watching them streams also means figures won't be counted and that means that while ITV and the BBC may not lose money (having already paid for the show) it when the next series is not commissioned that me and 10's of people like me lose out. The longer a show runs for the more we make ultimately as an older show requires less work but still pays out the same to us. So anything you watch in some dodgy way eventually costs me. So yeah, if I'm over reacting because you're costing me £1000s, I make no apologies. As for your comment about Sky streaming stuff them selves (the BBC do too on the iPlayer BTW) then if you can't see the difference theres really no point carry on. And I'd piss myself laughing if you go into work tomorrow and find out you're being laid off because someone stole form one of your suppliers or customers! It's exactly like stealing a car, you're taking something from someone that is going to have a cost implication for them and you're breaking the law.

Well hell just froze over. Starman made a reasonable post!

Of course I get paid, thats why it's stealing from me. And actually it DOES effect me. If you steal the stream they won't renew the contract so my work won't be needed on the next series as their won't be one. If you don't steal my work them the production company will make another series and I'll get paid again. So you ARE stealing from me and yes it is personal. If I stole your work you'd consider it personal FFS! It makes me angry that people think that streaming TV and using pirate software is fair game. I've worked damn hard to make my software why the hell should you get to use it for nothing?

Im someone who job it is to make sure the right music and sounds are fired at the right time on TV shows. I understand how light and sound can make a monumental difference. I've stood on the set in Pointless without and sound and light and see the tower count down from 100 to 0 and it does nothing. Then turn the lights on, crank up the sound and watch/listen as the tower starts at the top and then hits the bottom and the noise and lights make it. The tower hitting zero on its own does nothing. Speedway is the same, a great speedway race is nothing if you're not surrounded by others getting excited to loud, fast paced music. Lighting is harder to control due to stadiums being outdoors.

Theres decent enough music from the 60s, don't think I'm knocking 60s music! But some clubs really just don't grasp how music works. It's as if they think when Steven Spielberg is making his latest master piece he just takes the latest CD off the shelf and plays some random songs. I'm not saying they have to put as much effort in as Spielberg and his team do but make some effort! Just sticking the same CD in on repeat doesn't work! The song you were playing five minutes ago during the interval is not the same song you want after just watching the race of the season in heat 13!

We know the track was messed up. They had to dig it up and start again. The rider who said he didn't want to ride was correct, good on him! We can't call them moaners and tell them to "get on with it" when it rains if clubs don't give them decent tracks to start with.

The difference at Lakeside when Stuart took over was, IMO remarkable. I used to hate trips to Lakeside and questioned my sanity every time. But Stuart made it "nice", things were made a lot better. Still plenty of room for improvement but compared to what it was before he took over, it was night and day I've got it wrong? It's old people telling us "that wouldn't have happened in the past" then days later telling us about all the bad guys that used to ride in the past. When it suits them everyone was perfect yet when it suits everyone is dull these days. Can't have it both ways. I'll blame their dementia.

The racing is fine. It's IMO, better than it was in the 70s and 80s when you watch some of the better racing of that era on youtube, it's better than most motor sport you'll see today. I honestly don't think there is a single issue with the core product of 4 riders doing 4 laps. The fact Poland can get a crowd and the GPs are popular enough suggests the sport itself is just fine. It's all the extra stuff around it. In work we often comment that one issue and people won't notice, 2 and people won't notice it but get to 10 or 15 and while people may not be able to tell you the individual issue they'll know they're watching a poor TV show. Speedway is the same, it doesn't have 1 major issue, the sport has many smaller issue. All this "rebuild" the sport and change the heat format and things like that are crap. It's the presentation, it's the stadiums, it's the time hanging around, it's the being treated like rubbish by promoters for daring to ask questions.

IT hasn't got to be totally stage managed but when two riders have a fight rather than fining them £250, give them a £250 bonus! It's brilliant a bit of hand bags, a bit of wagging fingers and the odd fist flying. It gets the crowd excited. But Maud and Ernie tut and say, "That wouldn't happen in my day" before sipping form their flask of tea with a that still has its 1981 World Final sticker on it to remind them it was for that very trip they bought the flask. Later that night they'll travel home bemoaning the lack of characters and saying how todays wimps would know what hit them if Jack Millen was still around - despite the fact in their day riders would never have fought in front of the crowd, tut!

I keep saying it and keep getting told off by the oldies for it but a sport pandering to Ernie and Maud who have sat in the same folding chairs on the 3rd bend every week since 1962 is NOT going to grow. Just listen to the music, they don't dare play anything even moderately upbeat in case Maud complains about, "that incessant noise the young people call music". But it's nice that every year on their wedding anniversary they wish Maud and Ernie a nice day and then play Cliff Richards "Congratulations". Meanwhile, the kids starman refers to are bored fecking senseless and refuse to come back next week. What happens when Ernie and Maud become just Maud as Ernie has died? And then when Maud dies? The kids who got bored listening to music aimed at Ernie and Maud have decided to go and watch the rugby in stead with their mates, too late to attract them then. And people wonder why crowds are dropping. Long live Ernie and Maud because once they (and their mates) are dead so is speedway. Or maybe it'll be the making of speedway, once the sport is on it's knees, about to keel over maybe, just may be at that point they'll stop playing rubbish 60s music and wishing a happy golden wedding anniversary to half the crowd and focus on the kids who are the future (and the present frankly) of the sport! And it's not just rubbish 60s music. It's rubbish 60s style presenters. How the hell does Peter York still have a job?

If it's a rip off don't pay for it. I think the price Ferrari charge is a rip off but I've managed to resist going into a show room and just taking one.

Its theft from me for a start. As a job I provide show control and graphics systems to various TV shows. When you watch it for free you're using my services for free. Well done you! Maybe you could steal a car from a car park, after all, if it's parked up it's not being used so nobody will mind. Piracy IS theft.

Groovy speedway merchandise. Probably Wulfsport jackets.