ShanoXtra

I need to ask. Do Belle Vue fans actually think they are nailed on for play offs? Because watching tonight and also kings Lynn new found form I think you need to be slightly worried you’ll be finishing the league commitments early and only watching your beloved bewley and Kurtz on TV in the SGPs!

Kurtz got injured. Come back and then bailed again. Doyle got injured. Come back. And then rode for Ipswich after. Notice any difference in the above statements? He didn’t do the same did he.

Won it or given it on a plate? I think if Kurtz and bewley got injured like Emil and Doyle Belle Vue would come bottom of the league. They look woeful this season away from home too. At this point if Kurtz rides for Belle Vue this season he will be classed as a guest

It’s down to the discretion of the club and also I believe a percent of rides they partake in. I don’t think they are under quite as much pressure as people would make you believe on this forum. Doyle was under no pressure to come back, I assume the pressure would rack up if they are into the playoff stages though. Emil was not pressured into riding last season when he got injured in the playoffs period but he chose to. People keep missing the point I’m making. Nothing about missing the British league or Polish league, if you’re injured then fair enough, but don’t then enter an individual contest for your own benefit. Looks like Belle Vue are struggling tonight without him.

2025: Kurtz crashes in Manchester SGP He injuries his old injury from one week before. He continue in the meeting and comes second like a true determined rider would. Kurtz pulls out of Belle Vue’s next meeting. He obviously isn’t that same breed you speak of.

Dudek to win! Home track advantage and he is flying! Running in a Thursday and no “top riders” missing from British speedway… so it can be done.

Whether they have or not you said they do. When I gave you an example that they didn’t for the gorzow vs Lublin restaging so it doesn’t affect British speedway that much. I never said Britain has an influence, I only stated Kurtz shouldn’t be riding this weekend if it isn’t 100%.

Restagings of Ekstraliga meetings are not Thursdays and Britian didn’t give up Thursday nights, they said Poland could run a few times and have priority on those nights but not all Thursdays. Gorzow rode their restaging vs Lublin on a Tuesday the other week.

Great post that contradicts itself eh? ”world champion would be his number 1 priority given the circumstances ie injury” then proceeds to state “ prioritise the risk aversion no matter what club or country” so then he shouldn’t be riding in the SGP as the priority is to be fit? Or is it to be world champion… I’m confused!

Maybe Leicester and Lynn get third and fourth in the league because of it.

If Belle Vue fans aren’t bothered and are happy for him to miss the meeting then everyone else’s opinion doesn’t really matter I suppose. For me, it is his decision and if he isn’t ready or fit then it is what it is, but if he isn’t 100% then he should miss the SGP as well, it’s the same feeling I had for our rider in Doyley, shouldn’t have rode x2 SGPs. Priority should be full fitness, that was the reason for my first post about this. Until you’re 100% you shouldn’t ride British, Polish or SGP. If Wroclaw aren’t pushing him to be back for there meeting then we know for sure he isn’t 100% and SGP is something that could push his progress further back, however if he rides for Wroclaw then he has chosen to miss Belle Vue. That’s IMO.

If he rides in SGP that’s for sure pick and choose. Bet he rides for Wroclaw at the weekend and shows the commitment for British speedway everyone seems too by not showing up and prioritising.

Bank holiday Monday witches vs Lynn was best atmosphere I’ve heard when we finally got the win and everyone actually got up and cheered. To me, sport is at its finest when you have emotion and your team and your fans are as one. You’ll never get it, but the fans at Portman rd singing their heart out, all you need is 50 of them to give something different. I’m going to Gorzow vs Wroclaw after the SGP as I’m in Poland to see family, I can’t wait to hear the singing and the scarfs flying. It makes me feel invested in the meeting.

Yes and Kurtz got up and rode two more heats. So he wasn’t unfit to ride was he. He might end up turning into a B.Cook if he pick and chooses what race to turn up to but always appears at the SGP. This is the problem with British speedway, no loyalty for the clubs. People can say “he needs to prioritise his SGP for his success and future” well do it then. And hopefully get dropped by the whole reason you’re even in the SGP…because clubs actually gave you a chance to learn your trade… so pay them back in loyalty!

You can say you want to bring in technology in regards to apps all you want but you need youngsters in the stadium first. My god people barely get up and clap a 5–1 at foxhall and it’s a sorry sight when half of them that would try would end up like doyley and out of action every other week with an injury! People get hooked on these programme but I go to watch the racing then quickly whip out the phone on the track grades and load up sportowefakty to look at live scores then get back to watching the meeting and celebrating when we get a 5-1, not grabbing a pen and noting down the score. Each to their own I guess, but a young crowd aren’t into that type of thing. If they have to focus on writing scores down they won’t bother and straight away get disinterested. Is it that much of a cost for witches to use the Electric Board on bend 3/4 to show scores and riders ?

At that point he hasn’t returned from injury though, same as Kurtz. But they both returned over the weekend and Doyle still tried on Monday, I guess your comment is flawed.

FYI

London stadium is what you mean not queen Elizabeth and I mentioned that before in the thread. x1 at NSS x1 London stadium two UK SGPs over different weekends to give different options.

I'm heading over for this one, seeing the family and spending some time in Gorzow, still a lot of tickets for sale. How Stal have underwhelmed this season with the issues I've previously mentioned on other threads is shown by the amount of locals buying into this, hopefully the stadium is full for Saturday. Also given how long the decision was made when to put the tickets on sale due to the new sales team and delaying the release of sales for tickets has hit hard, I assume people looked at the start of the season where to go and earmarked their interests but with Stal not showing even confidence of restarting the 2025 season at the back end of this year it has been somewhere people would probably be put off due to the uncertainty. On a positive note for Stal, one fourth of the SGP line up, 4 out of 16 to anyone who lacks mathematics, is represented by the home team, Lebedevs, Vaculik, Thomsen and Paluch. This should give the Gorzow faithful something to cheer for after a poor season. Although the favourite will undoubtedly be the home boy Zmarzlik.

He didn’t ride for the rest of the world, he was missing that due to injury he sustained on the return from injury at his Polish club Częstochowa the week before which the biggest mistake of them all. You can’t possible get over his injury within a week.

No you missed my point, I said he shouldn’t have even turned up at the weekend. I.e shouldn’t have rode at SGP, was clear to see he wasn’t ready, what has an extra 3/4 points gained him in the series honestly over 2 GPs, I’d say it’s worked against him because he then had to ride last night which wasn’t the right call and again probably on the back foot for Gorzów due to aggravating his injury.

No you missed my point, I said he shouldn’t have even turned up at the weekend. I.e shouldn’t have rode at SGP, was clear to see he wasn’t ready, what has an extra 3/4 points gained him in the series honestly over 2 GPs, I’d say it’s worked against him because he then had to ride last night which wasn’t the right call and again probably on the back foot for Gorzów due to aggravating his injury.

Leicester may well beat us here. Masters was riding like Emil and Doyle does at foxhall when he guested. If that Masters turns up again we will be in big trouble, our engineer room isn’t firing either so very close meeting. Doyle will be riding unless he gets injured AGAIN at the week in SGP or Ekstraliga. Dan must be almost back to fitness… he is scheduled to ride first week of July for SGP 2 as a wildcard so I assume that’s his return date planned.

Am I right in thinking in roughly 10 heats at the last two Lynn visits Ellis scored about 5 or 6 points… I thought he could ride that place? He has really fallen off a cliff recently, don’t know about any other witches fan but soon as I see King, Ellis and Brennan come out for any heat I don’t have a clue what I’m about to watch, they are so unpredictable at the moment.

He seems like a lovely lad and I have nothing against him but I hope he hasn’t already felt ‘he has made it’… I saw him practicing wheelies instead of starts the other day and getting his Mrs to video him for his social media and sometimes I do think when you have Doyle / Emil and other Grand Prix stars down at foxhall all in similar size ford customs van and then Brennan rocks up in a typical Polish kitted out van if he just loves to be a showman.