Crump99

Good point. It popped out of nowhere (probably from the Twitterati or happy clappers). If Rathbone carries on, and I expect him to, then there is only one place that'll be and it isn't the top league. That'd mean moving from Sunday for starters and that's not gonna happen.

You never know, we might see Vaculik visiting!

The resident looney isn't that for nothing. Nigel Botherway's a big fan.

Unless you know something nobody else does!

It's not guilty until proven innocent. Nobody has to prove anything, especially based on third party rumours and mischief making.

Thought you'd be used to it now Dick, we've had the same cobblers for many many seasons. I'd say that riders being owed money at some point during the season is pretty standard in speedway where cashflow for those paying the bills is less than consistent. It's a useful forum filler though when things are quiet: just say that someone is owed money!

Most of the things I read about the 4TT were how good it was, well organised and big crowd. On any other day that would have been a distant memory and this thread wouldn't exist. Holdergate, the BSPA press release on the day and subsequent trial and continuing mud slinging are the reason for the negativity. If you can see the upside then I'm sure that we'd like to hear it.

What if he added that it's against the rules as well. Don't think that your complaint would go too far.

We had the same a few years ago with FrostMahoney & Batchelor/Andersen etc and the same was said at that time but nobody learns. Not quite sure of the point here? You have to go with the rules in place at the time. What would these supplementary rules added to the situation. This (HOLDING OUT FOR A HERO) was on the BSPA website two days before the event when it must have been clear to everyone what the situation was?

Depends what independent judicial review actually means. It sounds very grand but unlikely to be a FIFA type investigation.

At the moment it would seem but both have been generally ok up the the events of this season. There was a lot of clapping.

That's correct and I have said the same but when the advice is allegedly to break the rules (if they were broken) and take the hit then there is no right here anyway.

That's true. Tonsilitis would probably not stop you riding a speedway bike if you wanted to unless really severe, whereas you'd probably not feel like going out for a meal or making a 20 hour flight? The absence of Panthers’ number one Jack Holder for the second leg of their semi-final triumph and both legs of the final has been a major talking point in the sport. Holder has returned to his native Australia after being signed off with tonsilitis and Johnson admits it is a shame the 21 year-old couldn’t be part of the success. Holder also missed the club’s Fours victory back in August while racing in Poland. But another rider who has been laid low with illness - second-string Bradley Wilson-Dean - did return last night. And his involvement was valuable despite the fact he failed to score. “Jack has been signed off with a sicknote. Where he is, or why he is there, is not really my concern,” added Johnson. “My focus was on the team - just as it has been all year with different things going on in the background - and the job of winning the KO Cup. “Jack has been excellent this season and we would obviously have liked him in the side, but he wasn’t available due to illness and we have to accept that. “Jack could have stayed and supported the boys, but he has chosen to go back to Australia and unfortunately missed out on a great night. peterboroughtoday/speedway/panthers/more-ko-cup-final-reaction-witches-were-unlucky-says-panthers-team-boss 27/10/17

It's a case of “All right, let’s start with the basics. English is a non-inflected, Indo-European language derived from…”

Wish we had.

Whilst I agree fully with the premise I think that there is more chance of finding rockin' horse droppings (as our outgoing promoter once said about the prospect of winning at Swindon before we did) unless we get new owners which is just as unlikely. Lakeside is a pretty bad selling point as well. A horrible place to visit and virtually always awful visitors.

Almost the same as what this post said: Dan‏ @DanW400 33m33 minutes ago -How on earth did Ulrich lose to Mountain?

I accept nothing from a man who imprisons his guests in a commode. Please accept my a-po'-lo'-gies for the joke. I think that only me and Hodgy will get it

It'd bring the PC police down like a ton of bricks and is probably a sacking offence these days.

Bit irrelevant to Panthers 2018 because if we're here then he'll not be anywhere near the place if they've got any sense.

That's true. There's also a difference between explaining it as such and just letting the misinformation keep on coming.

TEAMS IPSWICH: Danny King, Rider replacement for Justin Sedgmen, Cameron Heeps, Kyle Newman, Scott Nicholls (guest), Nathan Greaves, Connor Mountain. Peterborough have called in Redcar man Ben Barker to guest at number one in place of the ill Jack Holder PETERBOROUGH: Ben Barker (guest), Bradley Wilson-Dean, Paul Starke, Ulrich Ostergaard, Chris Harris, Simon Lambert, Jack Parkinson-Blackburn (guest).

So did everyone else. They just chose to bugger about instead of confirming it.

Firstly because the actions surrounding him have caused this mess and could potentially close the club and secondly the continuing misinformation about him just perpetuates the negativity. As for the person mentioned, only the happy clappers perhaps give a whatever, I don't think anyone else does!

Not sure about the tone but interesting points none the less!