Haza Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 KL really did have a great opportunity this season to build a strong team with Jakobsen starting on seemingly low starting average ( any team in the league would have had him ) it’s an opportunity that only comes around once in a blue moon similar as to when we signed Darcy Ward in the old PL - in those days we took advantage and won the old PL but sadly in 2023 the advantage wasn’t taken when we signed KK and kept Allit’s mates rather than being tough we was weak in team building and the advantage of Jakobsen average was lost .These golden opportunities don’t come around very often this might be the last such opportunity that comes our way . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Haza said: KL really did have a great opportunity this season to build a strong team with Jakobsen starting on seemingly low starting average ( any team in the league would have had him ) it’s an opportunity that only comes around once in a blue moon similar as to when we signed Darcy Ward in the old PL - in those days we took advantage and won the old PL but sadly in 2023 the advantage wasn’t taken when we signed KK and kept Allit’s mates rather than being tough we was weak in team building and the advantage of Jakobsen average was lost .These golden opportunities don’t come around very often this might be the last such opportunity that comes our way . I know sometimes a "Golden Ticket" reserve has been on considerable money, given his bargaining power, and the impact he can have makes him a "must have". Poole in particular over the years always seemed to bring in a "four point superstar", who pretty much becane a fourth HL, but one that gave great flexibility by replacing anyone at anytime.. But given their level of success,, and the crowds it brought, they obviously built it into their business model and it worked great for them.. Maybe KL are not of the same financial position to speculate the same? And let's be honest, a successful team wont probably bring in even 500 more every week will it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, bigcatdiary said: I have said this many many times that all I want to see is a competitive team, no one likes to see their team get buried every week, if promoters are not able or willing to pay to ensure a team is competitive then the simple answer is to run in a league you can afford. Agree with you totally.In all sport you should do all you can to be competitive,not just to take part.Although that's what some feel in this country now,in general that is.I can't believe some speedway fans though want to see a number 8 utilised more.This would only make the team having to use a number 8 even more weaker.If we had to use say S.Lambert as a number 8 and he had to replace Pickering until he was fit that would put me off straight away.At least with the guest situation it only weakens you slightly under normal circumstances. Edit:Reading the article it seems the UK have allowed Poland to have the Mondays as rain offs too.There was me thinking it was only Thursdays. Edited May 5, 2023 by tellboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 15 minutes ago, tellboy said: Agree with you totally.In all sport you should do all you can to be competitive,not just to take part.Although that's what some feel in this country now,in general that is.I can't believe some speedway fans though want to see a number 8 utilised more.This would only make the team having to use a number 8 even more weaker.If we had to use say S.Lambert as a number 8 and he had to replace Pickering until he was fit that would put me off straight away.At least with the guest situation it only weakens you slightly under normal circumstances. Edit:Reading the article it seems the UK have allowed Poland to have the Mondays as rain offs too.There was me thinking it was only Thursdays. The reality is that for most tracks, being 'successful" doesn't bring in several hundred more every week.. Yet being "unsuccessful" doesn't lose you several hundred every week either.. But being "unsuccessful" can be better financially... As we have seen, title winners can end up going bust.... Being competitive at home is the mantra, with happiness truly being 46-44, meaning a close score line to maintain interest and a victory to celebrate, and, if you take a few 60 - 30's away then so be it... Your own fans are not likely to be there anyway... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Spot on. Lynn and Boro fans are fed up with propping the Premiership up, tine to get out and be competitive. Its a fair point - nobody 'likes' losing every week and long term making up the numbers isn't a good thing, in my speedway lifetime KL have far too often been at the lower end of things and that would frustrate the hell out of me. Peterborough on the other hand have won the title 3 maybe 4 times I can think of so not quite getting their annoyance - the last season was bad but they had just won the title before that so I am less sympathetic to them. Edited May 5, 2023 by GeneralMelchett 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, mikebv said: The reality is that for most tracks, being 'successful" doesn't bring in several hundred more every week.. Yet being "unsuccessful" doesn't lose you several hundred every week either.. But being "unsuccessful" can be better financially... As we have seen, title winners can end up going bust.... Being competitive at home is the mantra, with happiness truly being 46-44, meaning a close score line to maintain interest and a victory to celebrate, and, if you take a few 60 - 30's away then so be it... Your own fans are not likely to be there anyway... You need to be competitive though,whether you win leagues or cups that's the icing on the cake.When you have a team that lacks,like Lynn this season you will lose plenty on the gate.That has already shown this season with awful crowds for our first two meetings.Fans need to think we can win the matches we ride at home that will keep them coming a little while longer.But when you believe your team is going to get beat again this puts you off big time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Spot on. Lynn and Boro fans are fed up with propping the Premiership up, tine to get out and be competitive. Didn't they win the league handsomely in 2021? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, tellboy said: You need to be competitive though,whether you win leagues or cups that's the icing on the cake.When you have a team that lacks,like Lynn this season you will lose plenty on the gate.That has already shown this season with awful crowds for our first two meetings.Fans need to think we can win the matches we ride at home that will keep them coming a little while longer.But when you believe your team is going to get beat again this puts you off big time. When I used to go regularly to watch the Aces from 88 to around 2005, they were pretty crap for virtually everyone of those years.. Yet crowds never really changed much, given there was never a huge starting number.. And most tracks seem to have a similar pattern.. Nowadays I suppose you have the added cost implications and many more meetings nowadays being "a bit made up" which may put a few more off.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 16 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: Didn't they win the league handsomely in 2021? But what about 2019, 2022 and 2023 so far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 Just now, Noodles said: But what about 2019, 2022 and 2023 so far? Well Pboro certainly been more successful in the top league than Kings Lynn have with 0 titles to there name - personally I think both clubs need a new start under different promotions-Buster owning both clubs has done neither clubs any favours both have suffered at the others expense and even the rivalry has gone out of it now . Both clubs could be so good for each other . 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 1 hour ago, mikebv said: When I used to go regularly to watch the Aces from 88 to around 2005, they were pretty crap for virtually everyone of those years.. Yet crowds never really changed much, given there was never a huge starting number.. And most tracks seem to have a similar pattern.. Nowadays I suppose you have the added cost implications and many more meetings nowadays being "a bit made up" which may put a few more off.. We haven't been successful for years,but you don't have to be successful you just need to be competitive.That to me is a difference.Don't get me wrong i would love to win things,but my first priority is for us to compete with other teams not just to roll over and have our bellies tickled. I would have thought the cost implications are offset a bit by there being a lot less meetings in a season. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Haza said: Well Pboro certainly been more successful in the top league than Kings Lynn have with 0 titles to there name - personally I think both clubs need a new start under different promotions-Buster owning both clubs has done neither clubs any favours both have suffered at the others expense and even the rivalry has gone out of it now . Both clubs could be so good for each other . It did the Panthers/Prem a favour at the time i think.. Nothing whatsoever for Lynn though. When it was announced i thought oh FFS, but i understood why Buster did it at the time. Still felt like a kick in the teeth for us loyal Lynn fans, who have been turning up week in week out for god knows how many years, well it did for me anyway.. What gets under my skin is the Panthers fans moaning after their 1st meeting. Their team looked better than ours !! I get they haven't started well (Take a bow NP), before they start. Guess what neither has Busters " beloved" Stars... Before i get pounced on, they have every right to complain after the start they have made.. Being there every week( AFA) in 21 when the Panthers won the league was sole destroying for me and i'm guessing many more. We won our only meeting late on it the season that year, and i remember Allit jumping up and down on the track, fists clenched, while the riders walked the through the crowd getting pats on the back and fist bumped. Almost the same pic we saw when he won the league with his other club. I wonder what Panthers fans would think if it was the other way around?? Anyway it looks like Lynn's faithful may have had enough, looking at the unusually crap attendances at this stage so far. And before i get the "well if you still go then you are the problem" brigade start. If the die hards didn't then there would be no speedway, and do true fans really want that... Time for Buster and Co to pull something out of that hat.. And fast! Edited May 5, 2023 by Bald Bloke 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 I get the frustrations of following "your team" but, in all honesty, I think the promoters see putting out "any" Speedway as their main remit... Hence the operating model they follow.. The relevance of your team winning or losing is very small to the overall UK Speedway plan.. Keeping the sport going and getting to the end of the season is no mean achievement for a fair amount of them given the state the sport is in in the UK I would suggest.. For the majority of followers nowadays, I would suggest the racing is the key driver for them to attend, rather than the match outcome, hence they dont get too concerned about performances, but are content to accept that they have a meeting to attend again the next time.. Hence a winning or losing season often doesnt generate massive differences in crowd levels at most tracks.. As for "regime change"? Well not attending at all will easily facilitate that, but with the sport losing tracks so quickly, and no real financial rewards available, who would put their money into it to replace the current promoters? At least they are prepared to fund it... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 3 hours ago, mikebv said: The reality is that for most tracks, being 'successful" doesn't bring in several hundred more every week.. Yet being "unsuccessful" doesn't lose you several hundred every week either.. But being "unsuccessful" can be better financially... As we have seen, title winners can end up going bust.... Being competitive at home is the mantra, with happiness truly being 46-44, meaning a close score line to maintain interest and a victory to celebrate, and, if you take a few 60 - 30's away then so be it... Your own fans are not likely to be there anyway... I have little or no knowledge about other tracks attendances dependent on whether they are competitive or not but Peterborough’s are, it’s something I mentioned to Buster when he took over, poor results will affect Peterborough attendances, the football attendances are similarly affected at the Posh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 3 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: Didn't they win the league handsomely in 2021? They did but it was bottom in 2019 and 2022 with the possibility of the same this year too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 1 hour ago, bigcatdiary said: I have little or no knowledge about other tracks attendances dependent on whether they are competitive or not but Peterborough’s are, it’s something I mentioned to Buster when he took over, poor results will affect Peterborough attendances, the football attendances are similarly affected at the Posh. Get that, But if you are spending more to generate "not enough" to pay for "the more", then you would be better off budgeting for keeping your costs as low as you can.. When Doyle, Emil, Bewley, Holder, Fricke, (and Laguta) visit, then crowds will at least be two or three hundred up at each match as those who have dropped off turn up, meaning another £30k or so from the four matches against the teams with GP opposition .. Add in the derbies that Peterborough and KL have together which bring decent (ish), away followings and you will have some ok return without breaking the bank in points money... Given the state of Peterborough's future I understand reticence to spend too much on either of the businesses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 1 hour ago, bigcatdiary said: I have little or no knowledge about other tracks attendances dependent on whether they are competitive or not but Peterborough’s are, it’s something I mentioned to Buster when he took over, poor results will affect Peterborough attendances, the football attendances are similarly affected at the Posh. Be interesting to see what level of attendance turns up at Peterborough on Monday against Ipswich, Doyle and Emil there again same as opening night but Peterborough have a "GP" rider guesting for Pedersen this time , then theres the fact its being streamed by BSN and to cap it all the weather as it stands doesn't look good for the meeting at all so if its doubtful but then is run will more just watch the BSN coverage . Theres always the chance of an early call off for the forecast anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinht Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 6 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: It did the Panthers/Prem a favour at the time i think.. Nothing whatsoever for Lynn though. When it was announced i thought oh FFS, but i understood why Buster did it at the time. Still felt like a kick in the teeth for us loyal Lynn fans, who have been turning up week in week out for god knows how many years, well it did for me anyway.. Fully agree with this but that is where the commonality should have stopped - the management teams at both tracks should have been completely separate. Allit should have been at Lynn or Peterboro - not both - and preferably Peterboro so he was out of our hair Anyone know if the pit gate is now 'fixed' ...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 1 minute ago, kelvinht said: Fully agree with this but that is where the commonality should have stopped - the management teams at both tracks should have been completely separate. Allit should have been at Lynn or Peterboro - not both - and preferably Peterboro so he was out of our hair Anyone know if the pit gate is now 'fixed' ...... Yep .Can't disagree.. Buster has been at Lynn over 25 years, and we are still coming second best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINYS Posted May 6, 2023 Report Share Posted May 6, 2023 Did they get that bit for the pit gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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