Mr Blobby Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 On 6/20/2025 at 6:41 PM, lynnboy said: Well the sport is not doing him any favours as he will struggle to get a championship spot and too high for the national league another good rider that will sail off into the sunset. Why they don’t just re assess his average to 9 to let him ride as he is still really a novice to the sport of speedway. But that’s his problem for not performing not the sports. Can’t expect the governing body to feel sorry for him and give him an average reduction and big cuddle telling him everything will be okay. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 On 6/20/2025 at 7:33 PM, szkocjasid said: I don't know how to say this politely, but if the BSPL don't like it, Boughen can tell them to get stuffed. He doesn't currently have a British team spot, so can do what he likes. 5 hours ago, M.D said: Has he been replaced by both teams now? Thought he was 'injured' Doesn't matter if he's injured, taking a break or been dropped for poor form, he's not in a teams 1-7. There was no 28 day signing due to injury, both teams have replaced him. Lynn may want him back, doubt Glasgow would. Anyway, I reckon Nora racing to help him regain confidence / learn how to ride in close contact without shutting off, would be best for him. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, Mr Blobby said: But that’s his problem for not performing not the sports. Can’t expect the governing body to feel sorry for him and give him an average reduction and big cuddle telling him everything will be okay. Im sure you'd be saying exactly the same if it was a Monarch. A bit of common sense should be applied to get him into NL racing if that's what he thinks is best for him. Would be a massive waste if he was lost to speedway. It's a training and development league after all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 Rarely agree with Blobby but he is bang on this time. Why should Boughen be giving special treatment? From all accounts a pain in the arse in the pits coupled with a huge ego. Hes had a few knocks and now realises he isn't anywhere near as good as he thinks he is. Been many brits with far better attitudes down the years who have lost out due to averages and rules. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jamie Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: Im sure you'd be saying exactly the same if it was a Monarch. A bit of common sense should be applied to get him into NL racing if that's what he thinks is best for him. Would be a massive waste if he was lost to speedway. It's a training and development league after all. I know it wasn't me who said it in the first place but I absolutely would say the same if it was a Monarchs rider involved. I was a big Max Clegg fan during his career. Ironically, it was Mr Blobby who mentioned something along the lines of, "he's been treated unfairly by those in charge" when Max announced his retirement. I asked the Blobbster to remind me of the occasions he was referring to. Can't recall whether I got an answer. Anyhow, rules are there for a reason. No special treatment. Otherwise, it simply opens the proverbial floodgates. I also realise rules have been bent in the past. Doesn't make it right though. PS good luck to Ashton in whatever he does next. Speedway or otherwise, it's all kinda irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: Im sure you'd be saying exactly the same if it was a Monarch. A bit of common sense should be applied to get him into NL racing if that's what he thinks is best for him. Would be a massive waste if he was lost to speedway. It's a training and development league after all. I would say the same. not sure how it’s common sense, you’ve gained an average you’ve then lost confidence and been crap and because of this should then get a lower average. Disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 24 minutes ago, King Jamie said: I know it wasn't me who said it in the first place but I absolutely would say the same if it was a Monarchs rider involved. I was a big Max Clegg fan during his career. Ironically, it was Mr Blobby who mentioned something along the lines of, "he's been treated unfairly by those in charge" when Max announced his retirement. I asked the Blobbster to remind me of the occasions he was referring to. Can't recall whether I got an answer. Anyhow, rules are there for a reason. No special treatment. Otherwise, it simply opens the proverbial floodgates. I also realise rules have been bent in the past. Doesn't make it right though. PS good luck to Ashton in whatever he does next. Speedway or otherwise, it's all kinda irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. If I remember rightly with Clegg he was one meeting short of moving off his 4 point something average to just over 2. He was one match short of this due to them deciding to remove all Newcastle matches, no club would sign him on the higher average. We asked for them to look at it due to the Newcastle debacle and they said no which then led to him retiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 24 minutes ago, King Jamie said: I know it wasn't me who said it in the first place but I absolutely would say the same if it was a Monarchs rider involved. I was a big Max Clegg fan during his career. Ironically, it was Mr Blobby who mentioned something along the lines of, "he's been treated unfairly by those in charge" when Max announced his retirement. I asked the Blobbster to remind me of the occasions he was referring to. Can't recall whether I got an answer. Anyhow, rules are there for a reason. No special treatment. Otherwise, it simply opens the proverbial floodgates. I also realise rules have been bent in the past. Doesn't make it right though. PS good luck to Ashton in whatever he does next. Speedway or otherwise, it's all kinda irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. 4 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said: I would say the same. not sure how it’s common sense, you’ve gained an average you’ve then lost confidence and been crap and because of this should then get a lower average. Disagree. It's NL racing, a training league. If it's a choice of helping him get back into that or losing him altogether it's a no brainer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, Pinny said: Rarely agree with Blobby but he is bang on this time. Why should Boughen be giving special treatment? From all accounts a pain in the arse in the pits coupled with a huge ego. Hes had a few knocks and now realises he isn't anywhere near as good as he thinks he is. Been many brits with far better attitudes down the years who have lost out due to averages and rules. I take your point but he's seventeen, I was a bellend from time to time at that age and I daresay you were too. He's far too young to be thrown on the scrapheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 6 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: It's NL racing, a training league. If it's a choice of helping him get back into that or losing him altogether it's a no brainer. If he thinking of quitting from going through his first sticky patch so to speak then he’s not committed fully to the sport then imo. Too much talent to do that, I’m sure some club over the next month or so will maybe take a punt on him. As Jamie said opening a can of worms for future if you start reducing averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch1958a Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 53 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said: If he thinking of quitting from going through his first sticky patch so to speak then he’s not committed fully to the sport then imo. Too much talent to do that, I’m sure some club over the next month or so will maybe take a punt on him. As Jamie said opening a can of worms for future if you start reducing averages. wouldn't be a problem if they were graded rather than using averages, same in all the divisions tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, Mr Blobby said: If I remember rightly with Clegg he was one meeting short of moving off his 4 point something average to just over 2. He was one match short of this due to them deciding to remove all Newcastle matches, no club would sign him on the higher average. We asked for them to look at it due to the Newcastle debacle and they said no which then led to him retiring. Same with Matthew Wethers, loyal to British Speedway for 10+ years, didn't miss matches to ride abroad etc. Average shot up when Newcastle matches were removed, hasn't been signed since, despite apparent lack of riders due to his 6.5 average. If they realise there is a flaw with averages, by all means change the rules for everyone, but can't change the rules just for Boughen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: It's NL racing, a training league. If it's a choice of helping him get back into that or losing him altogether it's a no brainer. You could say the same with the Nora league, it's a training league, it helps tracks stay involved with Speedway, it's giving junior riders more time on the track at a time when the NDL never had fewer fixtures (last season), yet the BSPL / SCB, do their best to stop these events happening, try to ban riders who compete. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: I take your point but he's seventeen, I was a bellend from time to time at that age and I daresay you were too. He's far too young to be thrown on the scrapheap. Age has nothing to do with it If he has lost confidence or whatever it is he is struggling with it’s simply tough … you can’t make special treatment for anyone Shawn Moran suffered at the end of his career with shutting off and not mixing it …. Because he was a legend of our sport should we have said let’s give him a lower average and let him ride Division Two? The fact Boughen is young and British is sadly irrelevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 If he was good enough, he'd be scoring points, no points equals no Team place, that's Pro Speedway. The answer is simple, go score some points, not in Amateur racing, but against the Riders you're supposed to be beating, but i think the biggest problem is, he's not as good as people have told him he is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technik Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 I once heard a well respected rider say of a youngster " If he was half as good as he thinks he is he would be twice as good as he really is" & I feel this lad falls into that statement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spt82 Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 2 hours ago, Gavan said: Age has nothing to do with it If he has lost confidence or whatever it is he is struggling with it’s simply tough … you can’t make special treatment for anyone Shawn Moran suffered at the end of his career with shutting off and not mixing it …. Because he was a legend of our sport should we have said let’s give him a lower average and let him ride Division Two? The fact Boughen is young and British is sadly irrelevant Moran was in Division Two with Sheffield when he stopped was he not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 (edited) 5 hours ago, Bagpuss said: I take your point but he's seventeen, I was a bellend from time to time at that age and I daresay you were too. He's far too young to be thrown on the scrapheap. Do we really want to know if you were circumcised. Keep your Bellend to yourself. Edited June 22 by Youhave2minutes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 (edited) some riders are expected to carry there youth/ndl form up with them when they start ridding the higher leagues what i will say watching Ashton on streams is he always seamed to be by himself more often than not in pits maybe the issue is more with the pressure on him from his own team or expectation of the people like us watching in he was great as a 15 year old just like william cairns was last year but noticed his scores have dropped a little before he turns 16 and joins poole next weekend Edited June 22 by scaramanga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo95 Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 9 hours ago, Mr Blobby said: If he thinking of quitting from going through his first sticky patch so to speak then he’s not committed fully to the sport then imo. Too much talent to do that, I’m sure some club over the next month or so will maybe take a punt on him. As Jamie said opening a can of worms for future if you start reducing averages. Victor Palovaara reduced from 6.5 ish to 5.00? Is that not a reduction? Could Matty Wethers not get treated the same if he still wanted to race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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