ONTWOMINUTES Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 On 12/30/2025 at 10:46 AM, Pinny said: They were found not guilty of all charges. But wasn't this after the riders involved paid heavily to clear their names? That doesn't suggest they were not guilty to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 He doesn't need to be banned - clubs will have to make their own moral judgement as to whether to employ him Fans then can make the same personal judgement as to whether to attend a meeting he is involved in I for one would not part with a penny to attend any meeting where he was riding 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted December 31, 2025 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 48 minutes ago, ONTWOMINUTES said: But wasn't this after the riders involved paid heavily to clear their names? That doesn't suggest they were not guilty to me. They paid whatever they paid to clear their names. Those that know the details - and you can always ask Paul Burbage as, AFAIK, he attended every day of the trial - know how and why the jury decided they were not guilty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTopDrawer Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 On 12/30/2025 at 10:29 AM, secsy1 said: So is it okay that after a young lady is sexually abused the perpetrators are all still actively involved in speedway? Though one did miss a year or two after a further drugs ban. On 12/30/2025 at 10:44 AM, Pinny said: They were found not guilty of all charges. So was O.J. Simpson. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyd Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: He doesn't need to be banned - clubs will have to make their own moral judgement as to whether to employ him Fans then can make the same personal judgement as to whether to attend a meeting he is involved in I for one would not part with a penny to attend any meeting where he was riding With speedway on its arse at present would any club that signs him really want the possible publicity across the media especially if the nationals pick up on it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 The bloke has done his time and should be allowed to earn an honest living. It wouldn't do the sport many favours to ban him. His crimes weren't anything to do with Speedway or the integrity of the sport. They don't merit a ban from the sport. I would expect all clubs to give him a wide berth though, someone signing him would go down like a fart in an elevator. I certainly wouldn't want him to ride for my club knowing what he did, rehabilitated or not. I would also question how he's funding any comeback. We're regularly reminded of the expenses facing Speedway riders. If he's able to fund equipment then he has a source of income which means he doesn't need speedway. Speedway certainly doesn't need him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunce Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 On 12/30/2025 at 1:01 PM, Dave67 said: From a brief Google search. Tim Allen - Hollywood actor Robert Downey jr Kiefer Sutherland George Michael Mark Wahlberg Stephen Fry Ozzy Osbourne (Burglary!) Leslie Grantham Jeffrey Archer Johnny Vaughan Finally, are you seriously comparing him to Rolf Harris? At least try and think before you post! Don't forget Split Waterman, who was twice runner up in the World Championship. After Speedway he turned to a life of crime. Gold smuggling, lots of firearms in his house including two sub machine guns and dies for forging coins. He was also implicated with the Kray twins in a plot to murder a bloke, then imprisoned in Italy for possession of half a million quids worth of forged Spanish pesetas! What a character. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONTWOMINUTES Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 3 hours ago, tonyd said: With speedway on its arse at present would any club that signs him really want the possible publicity across the media especially if the nationals pick up on it? Makes you wonder if havvy is involved then that suggests jason is poole bound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 2 minutes ago, ONTWOMINUTES said: Makes you wonder if havvy is involved then that suggests jason is poole bound. I cant see Ford going anywhere near. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONTWOMINUTES Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 1 hour ago, Bald Bloke said: I cant see Ford going anywhere near. Stranger things in speedway have happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 3 hours ago, Bunce said: Don't forget Split Waterman, who was twice runner up in the World Championship. After Speedway he turned to a life of crime. Gold smuggling, lots of firearms in his house including two sub machine guns and dies for forging coins. He was also implicated with the Kray twins in a plot to murder a bloke, then imprisoned in Italy for possession of half a million quids worth of forged Spanish pesetas! What a character. How could we forget Squire (aka Split) Waterman . A character he was. A pretty good speedway rider. 🙂 Think the key point you correctly state is AFTER Speedway. Lived out a quiet life in sunny Spain 🙂 Think the Vintage Speedway Magazine did an interview with him in Spain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted December 31, 2025 Report Share Posted December 31, 2025 14 hours ago, Dave67 said: Six pages in & he's been compared to Rolf Harris & Adam Johnson, two convicted pedophiles. You couldn't make it up. What's the odds by page 10, he's "literally Hitler"? Some really need to give there respective heads a wobble... Why isn't it a valid comparison? Both Johnson and Garrity have potentially ruined their victims lives. You'd have to ask their victims but that's ultimately the bottom line. You can attempt to change the narrative as much as you like but it won't change what those people had to endure. Like I say if someone is willing to offer the lad an opportunity fair play but lets not try to justify it by positioning him as a victim if he's not offered the chance to resume his speedway career. That's just disrespectful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted 14 hours ago Report Share Posted 14 hours ago 13 hours ago, ONTWOMINUTES said: But wasn't this after the riders involved paid heavily to clear their names? That doesn't suggest they were not guilty to me. No, it was after a jury found them not guilty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secsy1 Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 20 hours ago, ONTWOMINUTES said: But wasn't this after the riders involved paid heavily to clear their names? That doesn't suggest they were not guilty to me. Wonder who the riders actually paid to make it all go away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONTWOMINUTES Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 7 hours ago, Pinny said: No, it was after a jury found them not guilty. So if they weren't guilty why would anyone pay any money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 25 minutes ago, ONTWOMINUTES said: So if they weren't guilty why would anyone pay any money? Like Andrew Formally Known As Prince? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 21 hours ago, ONTWOMINUTES said: But wasn't this after the riders involved paid heavily to clear their names? That doesn't suggest they were not guilty to me. 57 minutes ago, secsy1 said: Wonder who the riders actually paid to make it all go away? 21 minutes ago, ONTWOMINUTES said: So if they weren't guilty why would anyone pay any money? Maybe these posts should contain the word "allegedly". All the posts have question marks, that indicates to me they are just opinions, gossip or rumours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky_Mark Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago It does sadden me to read when some people state they wouldn’t attend any track where he is riding. By all means you can choose not to support him personally or write to your clubs promoter with your views but if too many people vote with their feet then it could have awful long term consequences. The sport is on its knees and we’ve lost far too many tracks with many more making a loss, let’s not lose any more by turning our backs, the other 6 riders in the team still need your support and the clubs as a whole. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted 4 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 2 hours ago, ONTWOMINUTES said: So if they weren't guilty why would anyone pay any money? Are you saying they bribed someone? Do you have proof? Who would they have bribed? The judge? The jury? Don’t forget the case went to a full Crown Court trial. After what you have stated as fact and if someone accuses you of defamation and seeks compensation, do you have any evidence to defend your remarks? My understanding is that they paid their lawyers and barristers to defend them. And that’s it. If you took a moment to research the case, and the court transcripts are probably a matter of public record, then you will understand the accusations and the defence. And why the verdict was the correct one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 52 minutes ago, Marky_Mark said: It does sadden me to read when some people state they wouldn’t attend any track where he is riding. By all means you can choose not to support him personally or write to your clubs promoter with your views but if too many people vote with their feet then it could have awful long term consequences. The sport is on its knees and we’ve lost far too many tracks with many more making a loss, let’s not lose any more by turning our backs, the other 6 riders in the team still need your support and the clubs as a whole. So basically - shut up, turn up and pay up No thanks Make your choice - accept the consequences 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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