Poole 2025

[Hamster00]

38 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

I want Kerr to ride to his average

He did at Berwick though but that still wasn’t good enough for you? That’s what I can’t understand?

Also his average is below 8 and will come down again as his Oxford scores which counted towards his average are finally coming off.

I’m just quite not sure what you expect from him? Kerr and Rowe are at a very similar level (imo Rowe is better) but one is on a falsely low average to start the season. Would do Kerr the world of good to be at 3/4 in a stronger pairing like he did at Oxford two seasons ago.

I just find it fascinating that you are basically blaming him for losing at Berwick when Zach, Tobias and Starke all were shocking in comparison to Kerr.

You just seem adamant not to give the guy a chance because you decided it was a bad signing now you must push that agenda on.

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1 hour ago, Fromafar said:

He never had many meetings at Berwick he was injured half the season.

Ok well 10 is a decent score really, would not expect anymore at an away track

[SteveLyric2]

Excellent Piratecast episode this evening. Watch it back on You-tube ( especially for those watching the footie)!!

[Bluekevin]

Agree, excellent Pirate cast and all true supporters. No-one wanting change as so called fans on here.

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7 minutes ago, Bluekevin said:

Agree, excellent Pirate cast and all true supporters. No-one wanting change as so called fans on here.

Never said I wanted change, just that certain riders need to improve, like it or not this is the team, seems like Kerr has improved, Tobias will be ok I am sure, we could/should have had Vinnie but we have Starke who could be a help to Cairns at reserve when he comes in. 

[Fromafar]

1 minute ago, foreverblue said:

Never said I wanted change, just that certain riders need to improve, like it or not this is the team, seems like Kerr has improved, Tobias will be ok I am sure, we could/should have had Vinnie but we have Starke who could be a help to Cairns at reserve when he comes in. 

Cairns won’t need Starke for help with the Crew he has got.

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Just now, Fromafar said:

Cairns won’t need Starke for help with the Crew he has got.

I meant riding together at reserve as Starke has loads of experience, whoever is in your crew you should always be open to advice from other riders especially at his age.

[Fromafar]

2 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

I meant riding together at reserve as Starke has loads of experience, whoever is in your crew you should always be open to advice from other riders especially at his age.

His gating didn’t look the best on Sunday at Glasgow otherwise Starke won’t even see what way he went in most races.IMO.Looks class but seems to be sensible and not too rash.

[Steve Shovlar]

How does Cairns compare to Hagon and Boughen, Killeen?

[Bojangles]

12 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

How does Cairns compare to Hagon and Boughen, Killeen?

On a par at the moment... but has got the potential to rise above them in the coming years (if not months).

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1 hour ago, Fromafar said:

His gating didn’t look the best on Sunday at Glasgow otherwise Starke won’t even see what way he went in most races.IMO.Looks class but seems to be sensible and not too rash.

I think he picked the wrong gate in the final and could of won with a better gate but Sam made a good pass and won, Cairns seemed to give up when he missed the gate in the final.

[foreverblue]

6 minutes ago, Bojangles said:

On a par at the moment... but has got the potential to rise above them in the coming years (if not months).

Luke Killeen is struggling for whatever reason at the moment so is Boughen, Sam seems to have his mojo back . At the moment Sam Hagon is better.

Edited yesterday at 10:29 AM by foreverblue

[Fromafar]

31 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

How does Cairns compare to Hagon and Boughen, Killeen?

Class,very stylish and well in control .IMO

Sensible enough to stay out of Killeen on opening laps.

[allthegearbutnaeidea]

I’d imagine come next year Cairns will be favourite for U21 title, despite only being 16, that says it all. Finalist at 15 is a fantastic achievement.

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1 hour ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said:

I’d imagine come next year Cairns will be favourite for U21 title, despite only being 16, that says it all. Finalist at 15 is a fantastic achievement.

Yes he was very slow from gate 3 in the final but Sam was the best rider on the night and proved it. I like Sam Hagon, I am sure he will go far in the sport. The way he rode was like he was early in the season for Poole last year but unfortunately struggled later in the season.

[tyler42]

13 hours ago, foreverblue said:

Yes he was very slow from gate 3 in the final but Sam was the best rider on the night and proved it. I like Sam Hagon, I am sure he will go far in the sport. The way he rode was like he was early in the season for Poole last year but unfortunately struggled later in the season.

How you can say Hagon was the best rider on the night. Yes he won the meeting, under a winner takes all system. Both Thompson and Cairns beat him in the heats. He lost to Harrison in the Semi. All three rider in the final outscored him in the actual meeting. Thompson only dropped on point with Cairns dropping just two. Hagon scrapped into the semi as the lowest qualifier! having to win his last ride to do so. The original line up for heat 19 had Dan Thompson in it. Hagon was quite fortunate on the front. For needing to beat Thompson to squeeze into the semi would have been a tall order.

So congratulations to Hagon for taking his chances, but best rider on the night! No not in my opinion.

Would you have said said Kubera was a better on the night than Lebedevs, Lambert and Lingren? in last weeks GP. I would suggest no. The system played into his hands. Should he have deserved  a chance of getting in the main GP final on six pts? I would say no, but just like it was for Hagon it was the rules. Stupid but still the rules. Could you have imagined the uproar if he went on to win the final and was awarded 20 pts after only amassing six in the actual meeting.

 

[lewy]

1 hour ago, tyler42 said:

How you can say Hagon was the best rider on the night. Yes he won the meeting, under a winner takes all system. Both Thompson and Cairns beat him in the heats. He lost to Harrison in the Semi. All three rider in the final outscored him in the actual meeting. Thompson only dropped on point with Cairns dropping just two. Hagon scrapped into the semi as the lowest qualifier! having to win his last ride to do so. The original line up for heat 19 had Dan Thompson in it. Hagon was quite fortunate on the front. For needing to beat Thompson to squeeze into the semi would have been a tall order.

So congratulations to Hagon for taking his chances, but best rider on the night! No not in my opinion.

Would you have said said Kubera was a better on the night than Lebedevs, Lambert and Lingren? in last weeks GP. I would suggest no. The system played into his hands. Should he have deserved  a chance of getting in the main GP final on six pts? I would say no, but just like it was for Hagon it was the rules. Stupid but still the rules. Could you have imagined the uproar if he went on to win the final and was awarded 20 pts after only amassing six in the actual meeting.

 

Spot on post hagon only won the final with a desperate move.  Don't rate him personally the Thompson twins and cairns far better. 

[piston197]

42 minutes ago, lewy said:

Spot on post hagon only won the final with a desperate move.  Don't rate him personally the Thompson twins and cairns far better. 

When you look at the Trophy you will see Sam Hagon's name on it twice in the last 2 years, there will be no comments section engraved on the cup. It is a case of "how many" not "how", you could say he was lucky, but I have found the harder you work, the luckier you get !

It is not his fault the system is set up for a winner takes all final, but it was there for all 4 riders to take advantage of, you just have to accrue enough points to get to the final, then in the most important race you need to want it more, and make your own "luck"

[lewy]

4 minutes ago, piston197 said:

When you look at the Trophy you will see Sam Hagon's name on it twice in the last 2 years, there will be no comments section engraved on the cup. It is a case of "how many" not "how", you could say he was lucky, but I have found the harder you work, the luckier you get !

It is not his fault the system is set up for a winner takes all final, but it was there for all 4 riders to take advantage of, you just have to accrue enough points to get to the final, then in the most important race you need to want it more, and make your own "luck"

I just said I don't rate him would rather have Thompson or Cairns in my team 

[Bitza]

Good to see Sam finding some kind of form again, but it's been a long time coming. Mind you pity he found it again when against Poole, re the U21 final well that's racing for you, take the luck when you can. The question of course is can he maintain this level of success?