Belle Vue -V Sheffield POSFs

[Racin Jason 72]

8 hours ago, Rob B said:

And Belle Vue took 51-39 lead in 2022, same as this year and finished 50-40 at Sheffield.

What happened to Jack holders mechanic ? 

[szkocjasid]

8 hours ago, ytsejam said:

Some decent racing at times tonight and I think Belle Vue won by as many as they had realistically hoped for. Should be enough to make it a competitive second leg for a while but still think Sheffield will comfortably overcome the deficit in the end.

Mind you, if Sheffield still have "..... and Harris at the back" as their guest on Thursday then that should make it a little harder for them to claw back the 12 points! 

 

8 hours ago, stevebrum said:

Decent enough meeting that certainly livened up in the 2nd half.  Will 12 points be enough?

pickering bike issues definetly cost the Tigers big points. Howarth was pretty bad.

Play off Harris a big let down. Reminded me of his performance for Wolves one year. 

My money is still on the Tigers but they will need to be all on it on Thursday. 
The Aces will be pretty happy with 12 points tho.

 

I don't think Harris was that bad, don't forget he's a 6 point rider, so 5 points away from home riding in the difficult number 5 position isn't a major shock. I agree he wasn't great, but average wise he wouldn't be expected to beat any Belle Vue heat leaders.

In Thursday I'd certainly put Chris Holder at 5 & move Harris to a "second string" position.

[SteveLyric2]

7 hours ago, Rob B said:

From Workington fan:

Thought taking the kids to Belle Vue Speedway tonight to watch the play off semi finals would be a great experience for them and Reggie obviously wanted to see the riders afterwards as he usually does. The first rider Reggie went to talk to was Jack Holder Racing and Reggie asked for his team sheet, Jack ripped it off the wall, screwed it up and went to throw it at Reggie. Reggie asked him to sign it and he signed it, very aggressively threw it through the gate bars making it rip, and turned his back to Reggie. Obviously seeing that made us extremely ma, Reggie was crying. Shane went to see Jack to ask him why he has upset a child and he was defended by his brother Chris Holder and team manager Simon Stead. We have made an official complaint to the club about the behaviour and fully expect an apology from Jack.Monster Energy Sheffield Speedway British Speedway Speedway Star FIM Speedway Grand Prixay 
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Saw this on Facebook. Shocking way to treat a child. As for his mechanic, apparently he's quit!

[orion]

12 points gives Belle Vue the edge Sheff have made a big mistake by Having Harris rather than RR.

[topaz325]

Still think Sheffield have one hand on the final , Belle vue realistically needed at least 14 points to take to Sheffield .

 

[DaveWayne]

39 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

 

I don't think Harris was that bad, don't forget he's a 6 point rider, so 5 points away from home riding in the difficult number 5 position isn't a major shock. I agree he wasn't great, but average wise he wouldn't be expected to beat any Belle Vue heat leaders.

In Thursday I'd certainly put Chris Holder at 5 & move Harris to a "second string" position.

I don't think Harris was signed up for the playoffs in order to have a huge impact last night. It was always going to be difficult to find a guest who would 'do a job' everywhere, but Harris does ride well at Sheffield, Leicester, and Ipswich if it had been needed.

With regards to putting Chris Holder at 5, this was tried a few times this season but it had an adverse impact as it broke up the Holder/Pickering partnership that works so well at 3 and 4. 

[SaddlebowRoad]

9 hours ago, stevebrum said:

Decent enough meeting that certainly livened up in the 2nd half.  Will 12 points be enough?

pickering bike issues definetly cost the Tigers big points. Howarth was pretty bad.

Play off Harris a big let down. Reminded me of his performance for Wolves one year. 

My money is still on the Tigers but they will need to be all on it on Thursday. 
The Aces will be pretty happy with 12 points tho.

 

you obviously bear a childish grudge but that's harsh, not sure who else he was meant to beat, he's not at his previous levels any more 

[siggysigalos]

Decent Meeting, and might have encouraged me to travel up to Sheffield on Thursday for the 2nd leg.

Previous result's, like our failings last year in the final to hold onto an 18 point lead is irrelevant in my opinion, 12 points could be enough, and thats why i think i will go, as you just don't know.

On Jack Holder, when Sheffield humped us in the 1st leg of the Cup Final the other week, Chris Holder  and Picko spoke no problem, but Jack was even having a problem talking to his own supporters, so i didnt bother, think sadly his ego is a bit big for his own good.

Onto Thursday and i nice drive to Sheffield is on the cards.

[AceBelle]

8 hours ago, Rob B said:

From Workington fan:

Thought taking the kids to Belle Vue Speedway tonight to watch the play off semi finals would be a great experience for them and Reggie obviously wanted to see the riders afterwards as he usually does. The first rider Reggie went to talk to was Jack Holder Racing and Reggie asked for his team sheet, Jack ripped it off the wall, screwed it up and went to throw it at Reggie. Reggie asked him to sign it and he signed it, very aggressively threw it through the gate bars making it rip, and turned his back to Reggie. Obviously seeing that made us extremely ma, Reggie was crying. Shane went to see Jack to ask him why he has upset a child and he was defended by his brother Chris Holder and team manager Simon Stead. We have made an official complaint to the club about the behaviour and fully expect an apology from Jack.Monster Energy Sheffield Speedway British Speedway Speedway Star FIM Speedway Grand Prixay 
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Words fail me hope your son OK 

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9 hours ago, Rob B said:

From Workington fan:

Thought taking the kids to Belle Vue Speedway tonight to watch the play off semi finals would be a great experience for them and Reggie obviously wanted to see the riders afterwards as he usually does. The first rider Reggie went to talk to was Jack Holder Racing and Reggie asked for his team sheet, Jack ripped it off the wall, screwed it up and went to throw it at Reggie. Reggie asked him to sign it and he signed it, very aggressively threw it through the gate bars making it rip, and turned his back to Reggie. Obviously seeing that made us extremely ma, Reggie was crying. Shane went to see Jack to ask him why he has upset a child and he was defended by his brother Chris Holder and team manager Simon Stead. We have made an official complaint to the club about the behaviour and fully expect an apology from Jack.Monster Energy Sheffield Speedway British Speedway Speedway Star FIM Speedway Grand Prixay 
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Certain riders just couldn't give a monkeys about the fans.

[szkocjasid]

1 hour ago, DaveWayne said:

I don't think Harris was signed up for the playoffs in order to have a huge impact last night. It was always going to be difficult to find a guest who would 'do a job' everywhere, but Harris does ride well at Sheffield, Leicester, and Ipswich if it had been needed.

With regards to putting Chris Holder at 5, this was tried a few times this season but it had an adverse impact as it broke up the Holder/Pickering partnership that works so well at 3 and 4. 

I have no doubt that Chris Holder & Pickering is a very strong partnership & splitting them no doubt weakens the middle order, but to not split them leaves a vulnerable pairing of Harris & the reserves anyway.

Guess the management have to work out what's best for them.

[TTT]

1 hour ago, orion said:

12 points gives Belle Vue the edge Sheff have made a big mistake by Having Harris rather than RR.

Maybe he only agreed to guest if it was for both legs and not just the Home leg?

Did Ipswich offer him both legs of the SF against Leicester and that forced Sheffield's hand? I don't know why he was booked for the Belle Vue trip otherwise because he doesn't like the NSS.

Bomber will fill his boots around Sheffield though imo.

[TTT]

What happened in the past for everyone to start disliking Jack Holder? He seems universally hated and I don't know why.

Was it something in his Poole days?

[TTT]

9 hours ago, AceBelle said:

Sheffield lucky Cook having a bad night also 

Yeah that's true tbh.

[InTheDeepStuff]

It might be courteous to raise a finger or whatever after a race but it isn’t mandated.
 

Waiting for everyone to go to work and congratulate their colleagues or staff from other companies for doing their day job.

[InTheDeepStuff]

Impressed with Voulas last night rode inside and out, definitely a different level to the Sheffield reserves.  Lidsey came to the party at the later end of the meeting which massively helped Belle Vue gain the 12 points.

Going to be all on on Thursday for Sheffield to get the 12+ points back, this one should go down to the wire! 

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[SaddlebowRoad]

7 minutes ago, TTT said:

What happened in the past for everyone to start disliking Jack Holder? He seems universally hated and I don't know why.

Was it something in his Poole days?

because he's an absolute satchel 

[AceBelle]

24 minutes ago, TTT said:

Yeah that's true tbh.

fair on both sides both could have scored more but it is what it is ?

[LisaColette]

11 hours ago, gjcone44 said:

lidsey better than expected but cook not so good.

 

38 minutes ago, TTT said:

Yeah that's true tbh.

Didn't he get 7 which was OK I thought.

39 minutes ago, TTT said:

What happened in the past for everyone to start disliking Jack Holder? He seems universally hated and I don't know why.

Was it something in his Poole days?

Don't blame us!  He was just as bad at Poole, i think there was a time when he was swearing at MF in an argument. He just hasn't changed at all. Although I don't remember any problems with fans.

Considering he has a child now you would think he would be nicer to other people's. 

 

[DaveWayne]

43 minutes ago, Roundthebend said:

Got to being an arse with kids now

Any evidence to support this, or just a typical internet rant that could be completely made up and has gained traction from others who don't like him ?

Maybe he was rude, but then again, maybe he was approached a few minutes after returning to the pits after just being done 5-1 in heat 15 ? These riders are putting themselves on the line every time they race, and I would imagine are pretty fired up inside after a bad race. Sometimes fans need to think whether it is a good time to approach a rider or not. Holder is not renowned for being over friendly, so common sense suggests that may have been a bad moment.