Belle Vue -V Sheffield POSFs

[Arthur54]

41 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

 

Didn't he get 7 which was OK I thought.

Don't blame us!  He was just as bad at Poole, i think there was a time when he was swearing at MF in an argument. He just hasn't changed at all. Although I don't remember any problems with fans.

Considering he has a child now you would think he would be nicer to other people's. 

 

I seem to remember in our premiership days, Holder and Kurtz letting us down at Ipswich in the playoffs 

[orion]

1 hour ago, TTT said:

Maybe he only agreed to guest if it was for both legs and not just the Home leg?

Did Ipswich offer him both legs of the SF against Leicester and that forced Sheffield's hand? I don't know why he was booked for the Belle Vue trip otherwise because he doesn't like the NSS.

Bomber will fill his boots around Sheffield though imo.

Not sure about his guests score are at Sheff this  etc but for Oxford this year he's  scored 3 and 10 is pretty hit and miss. RR is much better for Sheff imo 

[FishersGate]

1 hour ago, szkocjasid said:

I have no doubt that Chris Holder & Pickering is a very strong partnership & splitting them no doubt weakens the middle order, but to not split them leaves a vulnerable pairing of Harris & the reserves anyway.

Guess the management have to work out what's best for them.

Completely agree, if Sheffield advance Bomber at 5 may not get many points at Leicester.  

[therefused]

25 minutes ago, DaveWayne said:

Any evidence to support this, or just a typical internet rant that could be completely made up and has gained traction from others who don't like him ?

Maybe he was rude, but then again, maybe he was approached a few minutes after returning to the pits after just being done 5-1 in heat 15 ? These riders are putting themselves on the line every time they race, and I would imagine are pretty fired up inside after a bad race. Sometimes fans need to think whether it is a good time to approach a rider or not. Holder is not renowned for being over friendly, so common sense suggests that may have been a bad moment. 

I dont think its a one off, there is plenty of evidence the guy is an absolute spanner. 

[CTD26]

30 minutes ago, DaveWayne said:

Any evidence to support this, or just a typical internet rant that could be completely made up and has gained traction from others who don't like him ?

Maybe he was rude, but then again, maybe he was approached a few minutes after returning to the pits after just being done 5-1 in heat 15 ? These riders are putting themselves on the line every time they race, and I would imagine are pretty fired up inside after a bad race. Sometimes fans need to think whether it is a good time to approach a rider or not. Holder is not renowned for being over friendly, so common sense suggests that may have been a bad moment. 

Other than the family who it happened too? When will people stop defending the holder clan. They’re all a bunch on entitled 🔔 ends, they always have been and they always will be. Jack being the worst out of the lot of them.

[Rob B]

1 hour ago, lisa-colette said:

 

Didn't he get 7 which was OK I thought.

 

 

Cook scored 5, updates site has heat 5 Lidsey and Cook wrong way round 

[LisaColette]

3 hours ago, TTT said:

What happened in the past for everyone to start disliking Jack Holder? He seems universally hated and I don't know why.

Was it something in his Poole days?

 

 

[foreverblue]

5 hours ago, orion said:

12 points gives Belle Vue the edge Sheff have made a big mistake by Having Harris rather than RR.

Harris was always going to struggle at 5, he isn't number 5 quality anymore but I doubt it will matter, Sheffield will win by 20 in my opinion and Harris will do much better at Sheffield.

[orion]

29 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

Harris was always going to struggle at 5, he isn't number 5 quality anymore but I doubt it will matter, Sheffield will win by 20 in my opinion and Harris will do much better at Sheffield.

Really ? I would say the Bookies would price it up  + 12 Bv making it a even contest. 

[Arthur54]

2 hours ago, CTD26 said:

Other than the family who it happened too? When will people stop defending the holder clan. They’re all a bunch on entitled 🔔 ends, they always have been and they always will be. Jack being the worst out of the lot of them.

I wouldn't put Chris in the same category as the others, totally different to them 

[Bald Bloke]

18 minutes ago, Arthur54 said:

I wouldn't put Chris in the same category as the others, totally different to them 

He must of grown up since he was 31 i guess 

 

[screm]

13 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said:

He must of grown up since he was 31 i guess 

 

If this is the case for the defence, its not a great look. One wonders what if anything Sheffield Speedway, his employer, make of this.

[AceBelle]

1 hour ago, lisa-colette said:

 

 

Edited September 17, 2024 by AceBelle

[The SAINT]

33 minutes ago, screm said:

If this is the case for the defence, its not a great look. One wonders what if anything Sheffield Speedway, his employer, make of this.

what has that tweet got to do with sheffield speedway? A they are his own views and B he didn't ride for sheffield in 2019 ! 

[bloom89]

45 minutes ago, screm said:

If this is the case for the defence, its not a great look. One wonders what if anything Sheffield Speedway, his employer, make of this.

You’ve no idea what got said to him only seeing his response, social media is an absolute nightmare for people hiding behind computer screens to abuse others.

[Odds On]

Fair play to Chris Holder and any rider who sticks up for themselves and gives a bit back...social media has born a free speech platform, where anybody can say what they want when ever they want about anything they want, whether it has any credence or any truth about it.

 Most of these riders that are tarnished with a bad name on social media and indeed on here are based on what they see on tv/streams and read on X/Facebook/forums,.

[AceBelle]

this incident has reached the polish press i was reading a article about woffinden leaving wroclaw next season from a polish post at the end it said in other news jack holder upsets a child ?? and the mother of the child is waiting for an apolgy from jack holder & sheffield speedway ??? don't think this is going to go away ?? whoever is right ???

Edited September 17, 2024 by AceBelle

[stevebrum]

9 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

 

I don't think Harris was that bad, don't forget he's a 6 point rider, so 5 points away from home riding in the difficult number 5 position isn't a major shock. I agree he wasn't great, but average wise he wouldn't be expected to beat any Belle Vue heat leaders.

In Thursday I'd certainly put Chris Holder at 5 & move Harris to a "second string" position.

5 points from a 6 point rider is pretty bad. 

8 hours ago, SaddlebowRoad said:

you obviously bear a childish grudge but that's harsh, not sure who else he was meant to beat, he's not at his previous levels any more 

How? Everyone says play off Harris always raises his game and brings his A game. 
as previously proven he can decidedly below average.

He won’t rank the NSS as his favourite track that’s true however he was supposed to be a Monmore specialist!!

5 points from a 6 point rider is well below par.

On his last visit he scored 7 and beat Bewley, Cook and Lidsey.

These are riders he has proved he can beat.

Edited September 17, 2024 by stevebrum
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[Pauldoveyspeedway]

53 minutes ago, stevebrum said:

5 points from a 6 point rider is pretty bad. 

How? Everyone says play off Harris always raises his game and brings his A game. 
as previously proven he can decidedly below average.

He won’t rank the NSS as his favourite track that’s true however he was supposed to be a Monmore specialist!!

5 points from a 6 point rider is well below par.

On his last visit he scored 7 and beat Bewley, Cook and Lidsey.

These are riders he has proved he can beat.

Harris cant ride B.V...will be much better  at Sheffield...

[szkocjasid]

1 hour ago, stevebrum said:

5 points from a 6 point rider is pretty bad. 

5 points from a 6 point rider is well below par.

Surely a 6 point rider would be expected to score 7 at home & 5 away. So while 5 points wasn't a good performance how can one point off your average be "well below par" especially riding at number 5, meaning he meets Bewley & Kurtz twice?