IainB Posted Sunday at 07:57 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 07:57 AM 2 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Did we really want Milik again. ? At least they were trying someone new with Bubba. There's no need for any of these host nations to have a local wild card anymore as they all have a home nation rider already in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted Sunday at 08:22 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:22 AM 57 minutes ago, gjcone44 said: just watched replay, felt for Kurtz, Madsen really wanted it, shame Kurtz didn't try that inside line earlier think he was only rider who could ride that line that tight. thats also took some pressure off Zmarzlic now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted Sunday at 08:39 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:39 AM 12 hours ago, IainB said: I'm sorry, Bartosz is undoubtedly one of the best riders ever, he's got it all, but... I think he's a rubbish world champion I just feel comments about being the greatest world champion of all time are ott, you cant compare eras, in the days of the one of world final there was a long difficult route to qualify for the final, every rider had to qualify on merit including the reigning champion. The night itself you could cut the atmoshphere with a knife, every race counted with no second chances due to a scoring system we see today, there were several riders who could actually take the title. If the current system had been in operation ive ofen wondered how many titles the likes of Mauger would have won, it would have been tailor made for him with his incredible consistency. The GP doesnt have the best 16 riders in the world, there are get out of jail cards thanks to the scoring system and speaking personally the series just doesnt do it for me. Its all about opinion but i dont think you can compare different eras. One other thing some posters have mentioned Tatum saying what a great night of racing as he does during boring league meetings, any non fans watching for the first time must be thinking if this is a great meeting wouldnt like to see a poor one and certainly wouldnt be motivated to go along to their local track if they actually have one. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted Sunday at 08:49 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:49 AM 12 hours ago, IainB said: I'm sorry, Bartosz is undoubtedly one of the best riders ever, he's got it all, but... I think he's a rubbish world champion Is he though? How can you really tell when there is nobody else who seems capable of properly challenging him and genuinely putting him under pressure? Nobody else has the consistency. World number 2 Robert Lambert, for example, ended up with 3 points last night. If you look through history, the great champions always had someone pushing them. Funding, Briggs, Olsen and Mauger all had each other. Nielsen and Gundersen had each other. Rickardsson had Pedersen, Crump, Hancock, Adams etc. Since Zmarzlik started winning World Championships, the one rider to properly challenge him was Artem Laguta - and Laguta won and was promptly removed from the series. Zmarzlik's most consistent challenger is probably Lindgren, who is not really a genuine rival. Someone needs to step up to the plate to make this interesting. Can Kurtz do that? I'm not convinced. Holder maybe? It's a shame Bartosz can't be transported into another era so we could really see how good he is. To be honest, if you could do that and transport someone like Egon Muller into the modern series, my guess is you'd see Muller winning multiple World Championships and being hailed as a contender for the greatest of all time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted Sunday at 08:59 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:59 AM 5 minutes ago, bellevueace said: Tatum saying what a great night of racing I would imagine if he said otherwise he would be picking up his P45 ,IMO he is doing the best he can with the product on show .I think that the sport is struggling at every level for multiple reasons , if your not careful all the rounds will end up being run either at the NSS or Polish tracks . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted Sunday at 09:03 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:03 AM (edited) 3 hours ago, Grachan said: Nielsen and Gundersen had each other. Rickardsson had Pedersen, Crump, Hancock, Adams etc. I was fortunate to watch all the above plus Mauger ( I previously thought he was the GOAT) and Briggs but IMO unlike them BZ is the complete package and in the GP'S I believe he would have the measure of Laguta who just sqeaked home in 2021 ! Edited Sunday at 11:53 AM by FAST GATER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted Sunday at 09:06 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:06 AM 14 hours ago, Shockster said: I saw the gate picks? Me too. On TNT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Sunday at 09:09 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:09 AM 1 hour ago, SPEEDY69 said: Moan moan moan. I was rooting for Kurtz in the semi final, shame. Lambert was truly awful. Was gutted for Kurtz, great recovery after a disastrous start. Madsen had him fair and square though, it's a travesty Madsen is not in the GP series this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted Sunday at 09:10 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:10 AM 1 minute ago, IainB said: it's a travesty Madsen is not in the GP series this year I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted Sunday at 09:17 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:17 AM 1 hour ago, IainB said: There's no need for any of these host nations to have a local wild card anymore as they all have a home nation rider already in it I was thinking that yesterday as well. Lebedevs is showing enough to suggest he can stick around for a while, and if the likes of Kvech and Huckenbeck are already in the series then there's no point to wild cards anymore. There's no country without a rider hosting a GP and I can't imagine ticket sales are going to increase in Latvia, Germany and the Czech Republic because they have 2 riders for that round. Just scrap them and have a 16th permanent rider. Aside from the obvious two of Laguta and Sayfutdinov, Madsen should be in there or even someone like Dudek would offer a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Sunday at 09:18 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:18 AM 1 minute ago, FAST GATER said: I agree World individual Championships [edit] 2019 World individual championship - runner up 2019 World individual championship - 5th 2021 World individual championship - 7th 2022 World individual championship - runner up 2023 World individual championship - 5th 2024 World individual championship - 9th He missed 1 GP last year due to injury, if he'd scored his average he would have finished above Michelsen and did finish ahead of Lebedevs, Huckenbeck & Kvech... unbelievable Jeff! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINYS Posted Sunday at 09:26 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:26 AM I think it's time Laguta and Sayfutdinov were allowed back into the GP's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Sunday at 09:33 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:33 AM 43 minutes ago, Grachan said: To be honest, if you could do that and transport someone like Egon Muller into the modern series, my guess is you'd see Muller winning multiple World Championships and being hailed as a contender for the greatest of all time. Especially if around half of the rounds were to be held in Germany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted Sunday at 09:50 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:50 AM 17 minutes ago, IainB said: Especially if around half of the rounds were to be held in Germany Plus Poland, Chechia, Latvia. Go Egon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted Sunday at 09:51 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:51 AM 46 minutes ago, FAST GATER said: I belelieve he would have the measure of Laguta who just sqeaked home in 2021 ! I agree, which is part of the frustration of it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW436 Posted Sunday at 11:42 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 11:42 AM I was thinking this morning about the move Madsen (who is not even in the series full time this year) put on Kurtz to get into a final and how many of the current line up would even attempt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytsejam Posted Sunday at 11:48 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 11:48 AM 3 hours ago, bellevueace said: ........If the current system had been in operation ive ofen wondered how many titles the likes of Mauger would have won.............. If the current system AND rules had been in operation. Then he wouldnt have won anywhere as much as he wouldn't have been allowed his infamous rolling starts which won him so many races!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted Sunday at 11:57 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 11:57 AM 7 minutes ago, ytsejam said: If the current system AND rules had been in operation. Then he wouldnt have won anywhere as much as he wouldn't have been allowed his infamous rolling starts which won him so many races!! I think he would of learnt to sit still ,he was an extremely disciplined individual . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytsejam Posted Sunday at 12:03 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 12:03 PM 4 minutes ago, FAST GATER said: I think he would of learnt to sit still ,he was an extremely disciplined individual . Oh yes, I'm sure he would BUT then my point is that I don't think he would have won anywhere as much, as his start line "advantage" would have disappeared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted Sunday at 01:01 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 01:01 PM 5 hours ago, IainB said: There's no need for any of these host nations to have a local wild card anymore as they all have a home nation rider already in it Yes this season, but some tracks have multi year contracts and it’s no guarantee that they will have riders in it in 2026. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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