Two Tier Premiership

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37 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

With Sheffield's changes, absolutely 

Sheffield have overall strength now especially at reserve although Sedgeman maybe a concern, Kerr could be a great signing at reserve, Belle Vue have a definite weakness at reserve.

[AceBelle]

7 hours ago, Gavan said:

You think Belle Vue are better than Sheffield?

Might need to have your head a wobble there 

 

Bewley /Kurtz/ Lidsey better HL than Holders & Pickering 2nd strings Blodorne /Cook slightly better than Rowe & Sedgeman / Kerr & Flint better than Zischke /Mulford !! Aces/Tigers will more than likely be a semi-final Aces will fancy there chances for sure if it turns out that way !!

[ShanoXtra]

1 & 2 are Witches & Sheffield at the moment. Only teams that are unbeaten. Belle Vue are up and down and struggle away. Witches and Sheffield have consistency currently. 
 

What is the problem with a sports league being split between top and bottom? Most sports league have strong teams and weak teams, that’s sport… whether you like it or agree with it. Ipswich built their team over 2 seasons, hasn’t just happened over night.

[AceBelle]

5 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said:

1 & 2 are Witches & Sheffield at the moment. Only teams that are unbeaten. Belle Vue are up and down and struggle away. Witches and Sheffield have consistency currently. 
 

What is the problem with a sports league being split between top and bottom? Most sports league have strong teams and weak teams, that’s sport… whether you like it or agree with it. Ipswich built their team over 2 seasons, hasn’t just happened over night.

won't have much of a team next season if they carry on with the scores they are gettting currently ? averages will be through the roof ??

[AceBelle]

7 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said:

1 & 2 are Witches & Sheffield at the moment. Only teams that are unbeaten. Belle Vue are up and down and struggle away. Witches and Sheffield have consistency currently. 
 

What is the problem with a sports league being split between top and bottom? Most sports league have strong teams and weak teams, that’s sport… whether you like it or agree with it. Ipswich built their team over 2 seasons, hasn’t just happened over night.

Aces have only rode 2 away league meetings won at Lynn and lost 46-44 Sheffield have only rode 2 home against Oxford & Birmingham poor opposition we will see who is best over 2 legs next monday !!

[ShanoXtra]

27 minutes ago, AceBelle said:

Aces have only rode 2 away league meetings won at Lynn and lost 46-44 Sheffield have only rode 2 home against Oxford & Birmingham poor opposition we will see who is best over 2 legs next monday !!

Yeah and lost against home and away against Ipswich as well, It’s still a speedway meeting which both teams wanted to win, so I class that as another two defeats. - you’ve lost against Sheffield and Ipswich, hence why I said you’re not in the top 2 teams of the league.

I never said they would have the same team next season ? I said they built this team over the past 2 seasons to get to this stage.

[AceBelle]

34 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said:

Yeah and lost against home and away against Ipswich as well, It’s still a speedway meeting which both teams wanted to win, so I class that as another two defeats. - you’ve lost against Sheffield and Ipswich, hence why I said you’re not in the top 2 teams of the league.

I never said they would have the same team next season ? I said they built this team over the past 2 seasons to get to this stage.

we haven't rode Sheffield yet where have you got that from 🤣 and don't get too  excited about you're 1st ever win at NSS in 9 years compared to our winning at Foxhole in recent years !! long time until september we will see who lifts the trophy which you haven't done since 1998 !!! Champions until someone takes it off us !!! the league table says otherwise clearly 2nd 🤣

Edited April 26 by AceBelle

[TTT]

20 hours ago, JoeW436 said:

Do you think it’s struggling or just a chosen mindset? 

Just struggling imo apart from Kvech because the rest are proven points scorers on UK tracks.

Not all but a fair share of the Polish/Eastern European riders that we see in Poland are Motorcyclists with no skills and it's the Polish tracks that make them look good only for them to get exposed when asked to use a skill set on a track outside of Poland which leads to fans (Including myself) sometimes questioning their mentality / effort.

[Zagarmeister]

Just to chuck my two penneth in, the worst thing about the teams this season is the predictability of finishing order.

Ipswich are nailed on to win the Playoffs as long as Doyle can have an injury free season. If I were Chris Louis I would be having a word along the lines of 

"Dial it back to eight tenths mate and make sure your in the next meeting"

BV almost certain to meet the Witches in the final.

KL virtually certain to finish 5th.

We need the one big league back, more variety and more tracks to visit. If that dilutes team strengths so be it.

[Aries]

5 hours ago, Zagarmeister said:

Just to chuck my two penneth in, the worst thing about the teams this season is the predictability of finishing order.

Ipswich are nailed on to win the Playoffs as long as Doyle can have an injury free season. If I were Chris Louis I would be having a word along the lines of 

"Dial it back to eight tenths mate and make sure your in the next meeting"

BV almost certain to meet the Witches in the final.

KL virtually certain to finish 5th.

We need the one big league back, more variety and more tracks to visit. If that dilutes team strengths so be it.

Can’t believe Sheffield are being so easily discounted not just you, but by a few. Two top heatleaders and a third heatleaders in excellent form, an ever improving Rowe on an upward trajectory and now more strength at reserve too. The upcoming meetings between them and Belle Vue will give us a better idea of where they’re at. Belle Vue have too many weak links for me and are terrible at reserve. 

[szkocjasid]

I can understand fans being "certain" Ipswich will finish top & Oxford / Birmingham finishing in the bottom 2 positions.

It's reasonable for some fans to rate Belle Vue higher than Sheffield or vice versa, but I've seen nothing so far that would make any fans feel one of these teams is clearly stronger than the other?

[Bagpuss]

4 hours ago, Aries said:

Can’t believe Sheffield are being so easily discounted not just you, but by a few. Two top heatleaders and a third heatleaders in excellent form, an ever improving Rowe on an upward trajectory and now more strength at reserve too. The upcoming meetings between them and Belle Vue will give us a better idea of where they’re at. Belle Vue have too many weak links for me and are terrible at reserve. 

I would suggest that Ziscke's performance levels will rise as Workington's fixtures get going and Rowe won't keep his current levels up.

Sheffield are a very good side but over 24 meetings I think BV will be better.

[Aries]

4 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

I would suggest that Ziscke's performance levels will rise as Workington's fixtures get going and Rowe won't keep his current levels up.

Sheffield are a very good side but over 24 meetings I think BV will be better.

Not sold on Zischke at all personally. Seems to be a one trick pony. His home average around Workington was excellent, his away average not so much. The NSS suits him also so I can definitely see him picking up around there, but he seems to like a certain type of track, and looks lost on the rest especially in the top flight. May seem harsh as he’s young and hasn’t yet been given a fair crack of the whip so we’ll see, but I’m far from convinced. Take your point on Rowe, don’t think anyone expects him to carry on the way he’s started the season and shouldn’t be expected to, but he certainly looks as though he’ll improve again on last year and continue his progression.

Sheffield look the better bet to me but as ever the proof will be in the pudding. 

[szkocjasid]

1 hour ago, Aries said:

Not sold on Zischke at all personally. Seems to be a one trick pony. His home average around Workington was excellent, his away average not so much. The NSS suits him also so I can definitely see him picking up around there, but he seems to like a certain type of track, and looks lost on the rest especially in the top flight. May seem harsh as he’s young and hasn’t yet been given a fair crack of the whip so we’ll see, but I’m far from convinced. Take your point on Rowe, don’t think anyone expects him to carry on the way he’s started the season and shouldn’t be expected to, but he certainly looks as though he’ll improve again on last year and continue his progression.

Sheffield look the better bet to me but as ever the proof will be in the pudding. 

I totally get what you're saying about Zischke, but bearing in mind it was his first season a 4.71 away average isn't that bad.

Had he been 6.71 at home, 4.71 away & 5.71 overall. People would be calling that a decent first season for a new foreign rider. Because he averaged 9.38 at home, it makes his away average look far worse as you naturally compare them.

The NSS would seem the ideal track for him in the Prem, not had a great start to the season, could be because he's coming back from injury? But do feel Aces have one of the weaker reserve pairings.

As for Rowe, same with the whole Sheffield team, will be interesting to see what they can do away from home. Mind you even if they don't win away, home from will guarantee a play-off spot.

[Trees]

On 4/25/2025 at 9:01 PM, TTT said:

Not a two tier Premiership imo, It's just the lower end clubs have HL's who are underperforming at the moment, Things will be a lot more competitive once they finally get dialled in imo.

Tungate and Janowski are struggling for the Spires.

Musielak is struggling for the Brummies.

Kvech is struggling for the Stars.

Kvech is definitely finding his feet at home.  All the Stars rode well against Oxford but the Oxford riders def underperformed apart from Magic.

[Trees]

On 4/28/2025 at 4:54 PM, Aries said:

Not sold on Zischke at all personally. Seems to be a one trick pony. His home average around Workington was excellent, his away average not so much. The NSS suits him also so I can definitely see him picking up around there, but he seems to like a certain type of track, and looks lost on the rest especially in the top flight. May seem harsh as he’s young and hasn’t yet been given a fair crack of the whip so we’ll see, but I’m far from convinced. Take your point on Rowe, don’t think anyone expects him to carry on the way he’s started the season and shouldn’t be expected to, but he certainly looks as though he’ll improve again on last year and continue his progression.

Sheffield look the better bet to me but as ever the proof will be in the pudding. 

Tate is young, just the fact Darcy Ward has taken him under his wing tells me he has a little something special.  

[Trees]

On 4/26/2025 at 8:45 PM, ShanoXtra said:

Yeah and lost against home and away against Ipswich as well, It’s still a speedway meeting which both teams wanted to win, so I class that as another two defeats. - you’ve lost against Sheffield and Ipswich, hence why I said you’re not in the top 2 teams of the league.

I never said they would have the same team next season ? I said they built this team over the past 2 seasons to get to this stage.

Great sponsorship helps like Sheffield and those down south in the Championship, it attracts the best .....

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1 hour ago, Trees said:

Great sponsorship helps like Sheffield and those down south in the Championship, it attracts the best .....

It does. To be fair to Louis he works exceptionally hard in all areas around the club to ensure it’s the best that it can be. 
 

A good friend of mine is looking to provide some sponsorship to the club & Louis has spent time talking to him on the phone to understand the business needs & has gone away to work out a package that works for both parties.

A some point Buster had Guy Nicholls on board but managed to lose his support to Sheffield.

What has been achieved at Ipswich over the past few years is proof that hard work pays off. Don’t forget in 2020 & 21 our box office signing was a way past it Jason Crump.

Louis & Morris seem to be of a similar mindset hopefully it’s not too late for them to turn the tide with UK speedway.

In the meantime as a Foxhall regular I’m just going to enjoy this Ipswich side & the likes of Doyle & Emil while the uk speedway model allows for it. It’s been a long time coming for the great days to return to Foxhall.

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2 hours ago, Trees said:

Tate is young, just the fact Darcy Ward has taken him under his wing tells me he has a little something special.  

Tate is still young, if fact only Ashton & Norick are younger and he’s in his first full UK season. It’s way too early to write him off as it is to say he’ll be another Aces World Champion. He’s a quick learner and once he gets a few more racing laps under his belt I’m hoping he’ll be fine. His gating isn’t great so the top flight gate’n’go league will hold him back away from the NSS but hopefully that will improve with age. 

[AceBelle]

1 hour ago, cowboy cookie returns? said:

It does. To be fair to Louis he works exceptionally hard in all areas around the club to ensure it’s the best that it can be. 
 

A good friend of mine is looking to provide some sponsorship to the club & Louis has spent time talking to him on the phone to understand the business needs & has gone away to work out a package that works for both parties.

A some point Buster had Guy Nicholls on board but managed to lose his support to Sheffield.

What has been achieved at Ipswich over the past few years is proof that hard work pays off. Don’t forget in 2020 & 21 our box office signing was a way past it Jason Crump.

Louis & Morris seem to be of a similar mindset hopefully it’s not too late for them to turn the tide with UK speedway.

In the meantime as a Foxhall regular I’m just going to enjoy this Ipswich side & the likes of Doyle & Emil while the uk speedway model allows for it. It’s been a long time coming for the great days to return to Foxhall.

Nothing won yet 🤔