eric i Posted yesterday at 12:18 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 12:18 AM Watching the final back, I have to say thats the best speedway race I have ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago 8 hours ago, Fromafar said: That’s that state of GB speedway.If you were really that keen you would be there too. If you read another post you would have seen I said I can’t make it as I’m in Ipswich, on a Monday that’s almost an impossible task when you work Monday / Tuesday, Belle Vue is an amazing track, just totally out the way for people down south on a Monday night. Then you have to rely on the locals filling the stadium. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago 9 hours ago, mikebv said: You are preaching to the converted though... Next week the Aces are at home again, so another meeting for their fans... It is the 2.75 million who live within a 45 minute drive of the NSS and the 80 million who live in the UK who you need to target... Expecting Aces fans to attend in "the usual numbers" when they have paid out such outlay for the GP's already was folly... And zero was done to attract anyone else from elsewhere... I don't think many people will make the effort and/or pay what's necessary to travel to Manchester on a Monday. Certainly from Ipswich it's not doable without an overnight stay. When I travelled with my son for the WTC a few years ago, we shared the driving, stayed overnight between the meetings and drove straight back after the Final - we were both knackered. Only the people who really, really, really want to attend will do so. PS: I haven't been able to watch it yet, because I'm in Belgium and the Discovery+ app refuses to work with the VPN that I use. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago More people watch speedway at the NSS during the season than at any other venue so to lay the blame of a sparse crowd at our feet is very unfair. This is the first time in ten years that the crowd has been disappointing and there are circumstances that have resulted in this. The travelling fans who don’t turn up anymore I remember coach’s from all clubs for the BLRC at Hyde Rd or a Coventry British Final but now pretty much nothing. It’s not just about travelling fans though as local fans from other clubs won’t support an individual meeting like this or the PCMT. If they did then other clubs would run such an event. Speedway just isn’t popular anymore and thats the cruel reality for us. People say advertise but we have done it all over the years - you name it we have done it. Even people who know about speedway don’t attend as they don’t like it enough and thus pick and choose. Anyway, what an awesome nights racing and a fabulous final. That should be the benchmark for ALL venues. Forget tinkering with the rules or mucking about with fancy suits and bike covers etc. Sort out the racing and I for one would be parting with my money at away tracks as I’ve done in the past and I’m not alone. Gate ’n’ go is a killer for an exciting sport like ours. Sort it out! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biffa Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago At least 10 of us from the North East couldn’t make it through having to work. Been to the last few on a weekend but unfortunately Monday night is no good unless all of use holidays 🤷♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago 9 hours ago, Fromafar said: To scary to watch for you. Shame. I don't have discovery + or tnt and it's too far to travel from the south coast. Was the rest of the meeting as good as the phenomenal final? How much to attend? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: I don't think many people will make the effort and/or pay what's necessary to travel to Manchester on a Monday. Certainly from Ipswich it's not doable without an overnight stay. When I travelled with my son for the WTC a few years ago, we shared the driving, stayed overnight between the meetings and drove straight back after the Final - we were both knackered. Only the people who really, really, really want to attend will do so. PS: I haven't been able to watch it yet, because I'm in Belgium and the Discovery+ app refuses to work with the VPN that I use. Completely understandable reasons for not going... Surely it has to be a Saturday night, or Sunday afternoon, even if it early in the season due to Poland? Expecting the Aces fans to fill the stadium though was never going to be a starter given the GP costs for so many that have been paid out... And, unlike the previous seasons, the TV coverage now comes with an added premium if you didn't have BT/TNT previously, so, again, another valid reason to not spend extra money when you already had paid to watch it.. Riders (whose bread and butter is UK Speedway), having the option to "not bother" also devalues the event massively, and adds nothing positive in persuading those who were "maybe" attending to turn up... And then you have the marketing. There must have been 100,000 people in Piccadilly city centre on Saturday and Sunday, yet zero done to make them aware of the event. "The No1 Flagship Domestic Competition in the UK". Given there are so many promoters, and it is a shared event, surely they could have invested in some kind of fan zone to raise awareness? Doing nothing to promote the event (outside of telling those who already know about it), also suggests they have little faith in it's merit and kudos.. Fortunately, they now have some amazing action to use on social media websites, and may even get some snippets of that last race on some mainstream channels if they send it to them, (and they bother to watch it), meaning the "British Speedway Champion" may get a name check... The NSS truly delivers doesn't it? So moving it away sadly will reduce the level of racing several fold, hkeever, it doesn't look good for the sport to have crowd levels like last night advertising its "popularity" to those none fans watching on TV.. Next year there won't be 2 GP's so hopefully a better attendance, however, actually getting out there and marketing the event can only help... A magnificent nights racing delivered by true superstars, so the promoters need to back them... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago Mondays nights are not the problem, its been monday night for 7 of the last 8 years and thats the first time the attendance was low for it, all i can guess was the Gp in a few weeks affected attendance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeandTV Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 35 minutes ago, ouch said: More people watch speedway at the NSS during the season than at any other venue so to lay the blame of a sparse crowd at our feet is very unfair. This is the first time in ten years that the crowd has been disappointing and there are circumstances that have resulted in this. The travelling fans who don’t turn up anymore I remember coach’s from all clubs for the BLRC at Hyde Rd or a Coventry British Final but now pretty much nothing. It’s not just about travelling fans though as local fans from other clubs won’t support an individual meeting like this or the PCMT. If they did then other clubs would run such an event. Speedway just isn’t popular anymore and thats the cruel reality for us. People say advertise but we have done it all over the years - you name it we have done it. Even people who know about speedway don’t attend as they don’t like it enough and thus pick and choose. Anyway, what an awesome nights racing and a fabulous final. That should be the benchmark for ALL venues. Forget tinkering with the rules or mucking about with fancy suits and bike covers etc. Sort out the racing and I for one would be parting with my money at away tracks as I’ve done in the past and I’m not alone. Gate ’n’ go is a killer for an exciting sport like ours. Sort it out! Got any facts to back up that claim? Where is your source? I strongly suspect (but it's my opinion, not fact like you're claiming) that more people watch speedway at Oxford than at the NSS, considering they stage many more meetings and appear to have comparable crowds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 25 minutes ago, SteveLyric2 said: I don't have discovery + or tnt and it's too far to travel from the south coast. Was the rest of the meeting as good as the phenomenal final? How much to attend? being a belle vue every week ive seen some great meetings, but last night was the best ive seen, even ignoring the final the racing was brilliant 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry1603 Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago A video of the final race should be kept permanently on the GB Speedway website. When any potential new fan looked at that, they couldn't fail to be impressed. A fantastic race with no quarter given by all four riders. When you watch it again, you can almost imagine them smiling under their helmets - they were having fun out there! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 10 hours ago, nw42 said: Great night of speedway, if memory serves no crashes except Vinny looping the start, safe and raceable track, just brilliant. I was lucky enough to see the famous Collins/Michanek race at the old Hyde Rd track, never thought I'd witness anything to touch that but tonight's final is definitely up there. As for my e/w Bomber bet, so close, hard luck Chris. Me too agree with you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 5 minutes ago, CoffeeandTV said: Got any facts to back up that claim? Where is your source? I strongly suspect (but it's my opinion, not fact like you're claiming) that more people watch speedway at Oxford than at the NSS, considering they stage many more meetings and appear to have comparable crowds. PCMT British Final 2 x GP Play offs League meetings both Aces & Colts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 24 minutes ago, mikebv said: Completely understandable reasons for not going... Surely it has to be a Saturday night, or Sunday afternoon, even if it early in the season due to Poland? Expecting the Aces fans to fill the stadium though was never going to be a starter given the GP costs for so many that have been paid out... And, unlike the previous seasons, the TV coverage now comes with an added premium if you didn't have BT/TNT previously, so, again, another valid reason to not spend extra money when you already had paid to watch it.. Riders (whose bread and butter is UK Speedway), having the option to "not bother" also devalues the event massively, and adds nothing positive in persuading those who were "maybe" attending to turn up... And then you have the marketing. There must have been 100,000 people in Piccadilly city centre on Saturday and Sunday, yet zero done to make them aware of the event. "The No1 Flagship Domestic Competition in the UK". Given there are so many promoters, and it is a shared event, surely they could have invested in some kind of fan zone to raise awareness? Doing nothing to promote the event (outside of telling those who already know about it), also suggests they have little faith in it's merit and kudos.. Fortunately, they now have some amazing action to use on social media websites, and may even get some snippets of that last race on some mainstream channels if they send it to them, (and they bother to watch it), meaning the "British Speedway Champion" may get a name check... The NSS truly delivers doesn't it? So moving it away sadly will reduce the level of racing several fold, hkeever, it doesn't look good for the sport to have crowd levels like last night advertising its "popularity" to those none fans watching on TV.. Next year there won't be 2 GP's so hopefully a better attendance, however, actually getting out there and marketing the event can only help... A magnificent nights racing delivered by true superstars, so the promoters need to back them... When Lakeside had a rammed stadium when admission was free, did all those people keep their experience to themselves when meeting friends and family and then did everyone have collective amnesia? The attendance the following meeting was back to a typical speedway event. Make no mistake people know about speedway, they choose not to attend. I’ve taken many many friends and family members to speedway over the years but they don’t return as they don’t like it, it’s not because they forgot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago Great Racing. The gap between Bewley and Lambert and the rest though in the UK remains a big bridge, a strangely subdued performance from Tom Brennan, who has excelled in this meeting the last few years was a major surprise. Of the younger brigade it's clear that a now fit Anders Rowe and the rapidly improving Dan Thompson deserve the Reserve slots for GP, sorry Bomber! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeandTV Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 2 minutes ago, ouch said: PCMT British Final 2 x GP Play offs League meetings both Aces & Colts Sorry, I think you misunderstood the words 'facts' and 'source'. Got the attendance figures? I'd especially love to know those for the ones that haven't even taken place yet. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 10 minutes ago, CoffeeandTV said: Got any facts to back up that claim? Where is your source? I strongly suspect (but it's my opinion, not fact like you're claiming) that more people watch speedway at Oxford than at the NSS, considering they stage many more meetings and appear to have comparable crowds. In the absence of any data I would suggest the totals for the two tracks are quite similar and a case could be made for both of them. But they are both definitely well ahead of any other track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago (edited) Next year run it on a Saturday at 5pm and EVERY club promoter (apart from the Aces), sponsor a coach for 70 of their fans to attend... You could even do some "cut price tickets" that they have to purchase when they get the place on the coach.. A £20 ticket and free travel? Surely every track would get 70 there as a minimum? And, any track not having anyone qualify/not want to ride, could just support Bomber as he will invariably represent them at some stage that season... Be a bit like the old fours at Peterborough where loads of teams' fans were there in numbers, giving the event plenty of atmosphere and stature... 1000 or so from around the country and 2000, or more,Aces fans in attendance... That would be more fitting for the No 1 Domestic Event of fhe season... Edited 21 hours ago by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago Completely forgot this event was taking place. Just watched it this morning. First impressions. Did they forget to advertise it? Virtually no one there. A real issue. Belle Vue have hosted the British Final for quite a few years now and clearly the locals don’t want it anymore. They simply can’t be arsed to come out. Time for the event to come further south or try a different venue. But countering that was the racing last night which was excellent, and ended in a final which was top drawer. There’s no doubt that the track is the best in the UK, but if fans don’t come out what’s the point? Are we going to be embarrassed by a really small crowd at GP this summer? I hope not but let’s hope it’s not a repeat of the empty stands we saw there last year for the WTC or what ever it was called. Thought it was Bewleys to lose but Lambert had other ideas and won it well in the end. Great final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secsy1 Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 12 hours ago, Rob B said: Those obsessing about crowd, would you rather watch crap racing elsewhere or racing like this . The racing was second to none. But with such a poor crowd, how will the riders be paid? Promotion be able to stage these events? More has to be done to actually promote the sport to people who do not even know it exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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