British GP’s Belle Vue Fri/Sat 13th/14th June

[racers and royals]

8 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said:

Thanks for figures....I would class that as fairly close.

5999 ?? That’s got to be made up- If they had said 6000 everyone would have said they were rounding up lol

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

3 minutes ago, LagutaRacingFan said:

To beat Bartosz, you need to be a sharp gater.

Artem Laguta is the only man capable of doing it.

 

Laguta would be top 6 at best, same as sayfutinow but they should still be there 

[Bojangles]

2 hours ago, AceBelle said:

Laguta & sayfutinov wouldn’t make any difference sadly 🙈

How would you know? You love to make sweeping statements without any evidence. Absolutely nobody knows if they would make any difference or not. League form is no marker when it comes to GPs - as 2021 proved. 

[norbold]

7 minutes ago, LagutaRacingFan said:

To beat Bartosz, you need to be a sharp gater.

Artem Laguta is the only man capable of doing it.

 

Bartosz is quite often not first out the gate; many riders outgate him. But, just in case you hadn't noticed, he has a knack of coming from behind!

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

4 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

5999 ?? That’s got to be made up- If they had said 6000 everyone would have said they were rounding up lol

Sounds like good accounting if you know what I mean 😉

[FAST GATER]

6 minutes ago, norbold said:

Bartosz is quite often not first out the gate; many riders outgate him. But, just in case you hadn't noticed, he has a knack of coming from behind!

imo BZ is a better  rider than in 2021 can the same be said for Laguta ! 

[SUPERACE]

18 minutes ago, LagutaRacingFan said:

To beat Bartosz, you need to be a sharp gater.

Artem Laguta is the only man capable of doing it.

 

Yes because Zamarzlik is gate and go, he never passes anyone 🤣

[Fenceman]

On a different matter did anyone else have problems with the locals.we paid to park on someone’s driveway through an app my son had on the new housing where the old track was and on leaving they blocked the road with barriers and wouldn’t let us through I started moving them and was faced with a very angry woman telling me I should not have parked on the estate and people were blocking driveways etc then her boyfriend/husband came out and started and it was getting very unpleasant then just in time(for a change) the police arrived and diffusion the situation and we got through so I advise not to park there next year

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

What happened to bewley last night, he looked like he had just switched off, didnt even seem to want to get involved racing for points, completely different rider from Friday night, lambert rode like a desperate amatuer all weekend and dropped more points than he earned because of it, fricke rode well but whoever is advising him on his gate picks needs eliminating from his team, lindgren I think has resigned to the fact that he is the new Lee adams, best rider never to be world champion, holder despite looking fast at times never really looked like a threat, Kurtz is there at top of his game and his time will come I’m sure just not yet and zmarzlik won the meeting in his last qualifying race when knew he didn’t need to get points so used race to try a set up out for the outside gates and had no hesitation picking gate 4 in final and the rest of the field with no disrespect just seem to be making up the numbers, all capable of putting in a couple of good rides but were never going to be in the mix at the end 

[IainB]

I've been chatting to my ai friend again this morning:

Approximate Current Standings Based ONLY on Qualifying Heat Points (after 5 rounds):

(Note: There may be slight variations due to conflicting numbers in source results for individual heat points, but this provides a very close approximation)

 * Bartosz Zmarzlik: 13 + 9 + 12 + 12 + 13 = \textbf{59 points}

 * Brady Kurtz: 13 + 13 + 7 + 12 + 11 = \textbf{56 points}

 * Jack Holder: 8 + 14 + 9 + 11 + 9 = \textbf{51 points}

 * Fredrik Lindgren: 8 + 10 + 11 + 8 + 10 = \textbf{47 points}

 * Max Fricke: 8 + 9 + 6 + 12 + 9 = \textbf{44 points}

 * Andzejs Lebedevs: 10 + 11 + 10 + 1 + 6 = \textbf{38 points}

 * Dan Bewley: 9 + 4 + 10 + 11 + 6 = \textbf{40 points} (Updated for better accuracy)

 * Mikkel Michelsen: 4 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 9 = \textbf{35 points}

 * Robert Lambert: 8 + 9 + 5 + 7 + 6 = \textbf{35 points}

 * Martin Vaculik: 7 + 4 + 10 + 10 + 7 = \textbf{38 points} (Updated for better accuracy)

 * Anders Thomsen: 9 + 7 + 9 + 3 + 6 = \textbf{34 points}

 * Dominik Kubera: 8 + 6 + 3 + 5 + 6 = \textbf{28 points}

 * Kai Huckenbeck: 2 + 1 + 6 + 5 + 11 = \textbf{25 points}

 * Jan Kvech: 6 + 4 + 6 + 6 + 5 = \textbf{27 points}

 * Jason Doyle: 4 + 5 + N/A + 4 + 3 = \textbf{16 points} (Note: Doyle may have missed a round or had very low heat scores in one, contributing to a lower total)

Key Takeaways:

 * Zmarzlik still leads, showing his consistency in heat racing.

 * Kurtz is very close behind, also demonstrating strong heat form.

 * The standings are much tighter under this "heat points only" system compared to the official SGP points, which award significant bonus points for making and winning semi-finals and finals.

 * Riders who consistently win heats but sometimes miss the final (e.g., Lebedevs) might be higher here than in the official standings.

 * Riders who may have a few lower heat scores but then pull off big wins in the final (like Bewley in Cardiff, though that was a 2024 example, it illustrates the point) would be relatively lower in this system.

This calculation gives you a good sense of who is consistently performing well throughout the main body of each Grand Prix event.

 

[IainB]

6 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

What happened to bewley last night, he looked like he had just switched off, didnt even seem to want to get involved racing for points, completely different rider from Friday night

It was always going to be difficult for Bewley after the highs of Friday night, sub consciously you must have been thinking job done and to then have to do it again the very next night, mentally he's just not at that level (yet). Also the track was very different from Friday to Saturday, was very slick on Saturday. You could tell before the first heat with a lot of dirt already up against the fence kick boards on the both bends

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

10 minutes ago, IainB said:

It was always going to be difficult for Bewley after the highs of Friday night, sub consciously you must have been thinking job done and to then have to do it again the very next night, mentally he's just not at that level (yet). Also the track was very different from Friday to Saturday, was very slick on Saturday. You could tell before the first heat with a lot of dirt already up against the fence kick boards on the both bends

When you are serious about being world champion there is no having meetings like bewley last night, track conditions are irrelevant 

Edited Sunday at 11:50 AM by THE DEAN MACHINE

[IainB]

2 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

When you are serious about being world champion there is no having meetings like bewley last night, track conditions are irrelevant 

That goes back to mentality

[False dawn]

2 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

When you are serious about being world champion there is no having meetings like bewley last night, track conditions are irrelevant 

I get where you're coming from.
However, BZ only scored 2 more than Dan did last night, in the Warsaw GP.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Not saying this is how it is in zmarzlik’s  camp but at the first GP he has 15 threats to his crown by the 3rd GP he is down to 8 and after last night he down to 3, after Gorzow it could be down to just Kurtz, so mentally is this how he plans his strategy? By eliminating the threats, less to worry about more freedom in his racing, every GP just needs to finish ahead of Kurtz and unless Kurtz starts beating him then it’s just another no pressure meeting because although he always looks serious he never looks under pressure and why would he because if say vaculik or bewley wins a GP so what it ain’t going to cause a ripple on his quest to glory, I say this because any rider will tell you, if you are thinking about others you will not ride to your full potential and I believe this is why laguta beat him because he couldn’t eliminate laguta as a threat 

Edited Sunday at 12:08 PM by THE DEAN MACHINE

[andout]

2 hours ago, Triple.H. said:

As flares are banned in stadia in the UK, i'm not surprised. If you are found using or carrying one at a football match it generally means imprisonment or suspended sentence along with a ban from attending matches for 3yrs after. So its poor security checking people on the way in. Say instead of flares it had been a bomb, Speedway would be making headlines all over the World for the next week. If you need to take a bag you should expect to be emptying it for checks at a seperate entrance, people will then learn not to bring the bloody things. I go to a lot of gigs and the amount of people who try and get in with a rucksack like they're heading for a week in the Lake District is incredible, also at most 500 or more capacity venues you get frisked and the metal detecting wand. Some big Stadium gigs they have airport style security, everything out of pockets etc and walk through detectors. I felt like Derek Smalls from Spinal Tap when they found it was the pulltab on my fly zip setting the machine off.

Interesting…. this is what happened to me. I went to the sprint on Friday afternoon and my bag was checked thoroughly and a tag put on. I came out done my thing then went back for the event on Friday and the bag wasn’t checked at all. Saturday my bag was checked not very well, but it was checked. Security is just not there.

[AceBelle]

2 hours ago, ShanoXtra said:

You don’t know though it’s all opinions. What is fact is that Emil lowered Zmarzlik colours this year a few times in Ekstraliga. So he is capable, and Huckenbeck doesn’t even ride in Ekstraliga, so work that one out. 

Kurtz beat Zmarlick 3 times in one meeting Wroclaw v Lublin so it doesn't matter its all on the day 😜🤔

[racers and royals]

1 hour ago, IainB said:

I've been chatting to my ai friend again this morning:

Approximate Current Standings Based ONLY on Qualifying Heat Points (after 5 rounds):

(Note: There may be slight variations due to conflicting numbers in source results for individual heat points, but this provides a very close approximation)

 * Bartosz Zmarzlik: 13 + 9 + 12 + 12 + 13 = \textbf{59 points}

 * Brady Kurtz: 13 + 13 + 7 + 12 + 11 = \textbf{56 points}

 * Jack Holder: 8 + 14 + 9 + 11 + 9 = \textbf{51 points}

 * Fredrik Lindgren: 8 + 10 + 11 + 8 + 10 = \textbf{47 points}

 * Max Fricke: 8 + 9 + 6 + 12 + 9 = \textbf{44 points}

 * Andzejs Lebedevs: 10 + 11 + 10 + 1 + 6 = \textbf{38 points}

 * Dan Bewley: 9 + 4 + 10 + 11 + 6 = \textbf{40 points} (Updated for better accuracy)

 * Mikkel Michelsen: 4 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 9 = \textbf{35 points}

 * Robert Lambert: 8 + 9 + 5 + 7 + 6 = \textbf{35 points}

 * Martin Vaculik: 7 + 4 + 10 + 10 + 7 = \textbf{38 points} (Updated for better accuracy)

 * Anders Thomsen: 9 + 7 + 9 + 3 + 6 = \textbf{34 points}

 * Dominik Kubera: 8 + 6 + 3 + 5 + 6 = \textbf{28 points}

 * Kai Huckenbeck: 2 + 1 + 6 + 5 + 11 = \textbf{25 points}

 * Jan Kvech: 6 + 4 + 6 + 6 + 5 = \textbf{27 points}

 * Jason Doyle: 4 + 5 + N/A + 4 + 3 = \textbf{16 points} (Note: Doyle may have missed a round or had very low heat scores in one, contributing to a lower total)

Key Takeaways:

 * Zmarzlik still leads, showing his consistency in heat racing.

 * Kurtz is very close behind, also demonstrating strong heat form.

 * The standings are much tighter under this "heat points only" system compared to the official SGP points, which award significant bonus points for making and winning semi-finals and finals.

 * Riders who consistently win heats but sometimes miss the final (e.g., Lebedevs) might be higher here than in the official standings.

 * Riders who may have a few lower heat scores but then pull off big wins in the final (like Bewley in Cardiff, though that was a 2024 example, it illustrates the point) would be relatively lower in this system.

This calculation gives you a good sense of who is consistently performing well throughout the main body of each Grand Prix event.

 

Which reference to the last sentence means nothing. The rules were set for 2025, the riders know they apply to all 10 rounds - and i like it. All races count to get in top 2. All races count to get into top 10 and the higher you are means better gate picks and if finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th in LCQ higher GP points awarded.

what i don’t like however is that in a tie and 1st, 2nds etc won’t split, fastest times are used instead of head to heads- ridiculous !! 

Edited Sunday at 01:04 PM by racers and royals

[Fromafar]

46 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Not saying this is how it is in zmarzlik’s  camp but at the first GP he has 15 threats to his crown by the 3rd GP he is down to 8 and after last night he down to 3, after Gorzow it could be down to just Kurtz, so mentally is this how he plans his strategy? By eliminating the threats, less to worry about more freedom in his racing, every GP just needs to finish ahead of Kurtz and unless Kurtz starts beating him then it’s just another no pressure meeting because although he always looks serious he never looks under pressure and why would he because if say vaculik or bewley wins a GP so what it ain’t going to cause a ripple on his quest to glory, I say this because any rider will tell you, if you are thinking about others you will not ride to your full potential and I believe this is why laguta beat him because he couldn’t eliminate laguta as a threat 

Before the change of points system this season.Bartosz had already worked the system  stopped the rash moves from he early career and concentrated on getting semi- finals and took from there.Different this season to pull a big points lead .Top 2 to get straight into final is now his aim.Its easy to drop a few points this season though. But Kurtz apart the rest are not consistent (Freddie hanging as usual).

[therefused]

3 hours ago, Triple.H. said:

The Poles may not be the type to want to blow us up, but say somebody was ? 

Also you'll find people with some illnesses don't think the flares liven up the meeting, while they try and cough their lungs up.

Why are you talking about bombs for some weird reason? Literally not relevant to the conversation at all