Edinburgh v Workington Championship KO Cup (1st Leg) 23rd May 2025 7.30pm

[Mr Blobby]

2 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

 

I stand by what I said, my point was that Parker is far from Champ standard & I couldn't believe there weren't stronger options available for the team?

That is where I felt Monarchs weren't giving their all, for example I could never imagine a team like Poole with their winning mentality, settling for a 3.00 NL reserve in their team.

Parker did exactly what I expected, only beat a non-finisher. Well done to Mark for doing that though.

Delighted for the middle order pairing, feel some of the criticism they've received has been too harsh. Two good scores against weaker opposition, can they continue against the leagues stronger sides?

Like I’ve already said Mark is only in for the Workington matches that’s it, Mark also knows this. We only needed someone to fill the whole for the weekend as the factory was up for Max.

So your pound is irrelevant.

 

[szkocjasid]

2 hours ago, SteelShoe said:

I think with another strong heat leader in the team Tate may well be at 2 which may take a bit of pressure off him, he his finding consolidation of last seasons pre injury form difficult at the moment.. Ideally Fraser would have started at reserve like the Kennedys at Scunny and McDiarmid at Oxford which would help him find his feet.

It's obvious that the point scoring abilities provided last year by Cookie coupled with the solid away average of Claus Vissing are a big miss. Jye's away performances so far haven't been what has been  required from a rider with his experience while Antti continues to be an enigma on a lot of away tracks which is hard to fathom for a rider who often looks top notch at home.

Would've been hard if not impossible to achieve that team building with a 40 point limit. Another strong heat leader would mean weaker reserves needed. With Bowes being on a 5.00, but the Kennedy's & McDiarmid on 4.00 (or 4.27 for Zaine) it was easier for them to be at reserve.

[kevcfc]

Unfortunately we're mainly a team of riders in positions that they shouldn't be in. Tate and Anti aren't heat leaders, the same as Jay and Taylor aren't second strings. So we find ourselves with 2 second strings and 4 reserves. And Troy, who to be fair needs to pick up 15 points per meeting to even keep us competitive. Which he'll never do, unless he makes 5 worldy starts. 

[cyclone]

Whilst we filled our boots tonight,  the reverse could happen at Worky.

Leon Flint who is going through a purple patch, replacing Zischke, imo strenghthens the Comets considerably.

Remember the scores when we last met Worky in the  2018 KoC semi:-

Edinburgh Monarchs 59 Workington Comets 31

Workington Comets 61  Edinburgh Monarchs 29

No time to be complacent, with North Side being a new track to both Swedes & also a raw number  seven who is  unlikely to beat any Championship reserve, barring non finishers.

[Endeavour]

7 hours ago, GM95 said:

Rotten? We’ve won at Ashfield, ran Berwick and Plymouth close away. Every meeting bar the Glasgow (A) BSN match has been a last heat decider. We gifted Poole the win last week but we are far from rotten.

We’ve got the foundation of a great team, if we can get the Oskar and Max replacements right then we will be challenging.

Rotten is too harsh a word but we should have closed out both the Poole and Plymouth matches and one of Glasgow ones. If we want to make play offs these are matches we should be winning. Last night hopefully should help confidence wise even if Comets didn't show up. The Polis replacement and a decent no 7 will be key to the season and Paco who is  so unpredictable in each beating. 

[SteelShoe]

7 hours ago, cyclone said:

Whilst we filled our boots tonight,  the reverse could happen at Worky.

Leon Flint who is going through a purple patch, replacing Zischke, imo strenghthens the Comets considerably.

Remember the scores when we last met Worky in the  2018 KoC semi:-

Edinburgh Monarchs 59 Workington Comets 31

Workington Comets 61  Edinburgh Monarchs 29

No time to be complacent, with North Side being a new track to both Swedes & also a raw number  seven who is  unlikely to beat any Championship reserve, barring non finishers.

Yeah that was some turnaround, you guys had a certain Victor Palovaara at No2 who failed to score, seems to have come on a bit since then 😃. You also had a certain Eric Riss at 5 and Josh Pickering at No 3. Unfortunately miracles don't happen twice, last nights defeat was the biggest I can personally remember for a Comets team at Armadale perhaps some stat person/s could verify ?.

[SteelShoe]

11 hours ago, ruckerroo said:

The comets team looks inexperienced at best , ok blasting round big tracks but no idea of anything technical . Batchelor will never ever be the answer at n1 , let alone tothers

This is indeed a factor, Tate, Fraser, Antti (although rode at Armadale last season) won't have tackled small technical grippy tracks at all.

[JanAndersen]

What sort of average is VP going to get when it’s all revised? He could be the highest in the league?!!

[comet49]

Tate had an excellent race at Scunthorpe last week, close to other riders. I don’t doubt that his injury may on his mind but think Edinburgh’s track had something to do with it as well. 

[comet49]

33 minutes ago, JanAndersen said:

What sort of average is VP going to get when it’s all revised? He could be the highest in the league?!!

Good job he was absent last night….

[Mr Blobby]

1 hour ago, SteelShoe said:

This is indeed a factor, Tate, Fraser, Antti (although rode at Armadale last season) won't have tackled small technical grippy tracks at all.

Would have been interesting to see them if it was grippy last night night. Was like concrete last night. Was probably slicker than an NDL match.

[mac101]

11 hours ago, GM95 said:

Rotten? We’ve won at Ashfield, ran Berwick and Plymouth close away. Every meeting bar the Glasgow (A) BSN match has been a last heat decider. We gifted Poole the win last week but we are far from rotten.

We’ve got the foundation of a great team, if we can get the Oskar and Max replacements right then we will be challenging.

Think having VP taking 7 rides and scoring most of the team points in every meeting helped with these results going to be harder once he moves to number one 

[Neila]

2 hours ago, SteelShoe said:

Yeah that was some turnaround, you guys had a certain Victor Palovaara at No2 who failed to score, seems to have come on a bit since then 😃. You also had a certain Eric Riss at 5 and Josh Pickering at No 3. Unfortunately miracles don't happen twice, last nights defeat was the biggest I can personally remember for a Comets team at Armadale perhaps some stat person/s could verify ?.

Had some thumpings at powderhall in 1980+81 though 

[Fromafar]

1 hour ago, comet49 said:

Good job he was absent last night….

Absent from where.🤔

[Noelinho]

2 hours ago, JanAndersen said:

What sort of average is VP going to get when it’s all revised? He could be the highest in the league?!!

9.30 rolling after last night. That's his six meetings.

Edited 13 hours ago by Noelinho

[GM95]

27 minutes ago, mac101 said:

Think having VP taking 7 rides and scoring most of the team points in every meeting helped with these results going to be harder once he moves to number one 

It has certainly helped massively having him at reserve, but it hasn’t been the case in every meeting. He missed Berwick away and only scored 9 at Plymouth and Glasgow (SC). The team was built to have a strong reserve and whilst Jonatan won’t score the same, we will have a better balance to us.

 

10 minutes ago, Noelinho said:

9.30 rolling after last night. That's his six meetings.

KO Cup doesn’t count towards rolling averages. He’s currently on 8.85 with one more meeting to ride before he gets an official average.

[Noelinho]

55 minutes ago, GM95 said:

It has certainly helped massively having him at reserve, but it hasn’t been the case in every meeting. He missed Berwick away and only scored 9 at Plymouth and Glasgow (SC). The team was built to have a strong reserve and whilst Jonatan won’t score the same, we will have a better balance to us.

 

KO Cup doesn’t count towards rolling averages. He’s currently on 8.85 with one more meeting to ride before he gets an official average.

Thanks - I totally forgot last night was KO Cup! Yes, It's 8.85.

[bigdave]

3 hours ago, Neila said:

Had some thumpings at powderhall in 1980+81 though 

Yep, I can remember going to Powderhall on the Comets supporters bus in 1981 and getting hammered 63-15. I think that Ron Bagley got on the bus after the meeting and apologised to us all for the terrible performance.

[Fromafar]

If Monarchs can get a decent replacement for Polis ( don’t know where though) they are not a bad Team in this League.IMO

[Neila]

4 hours ago, bigdave said:

Yep, I can remember going to Powderhall on the Comets supporters bus in 1981 and getting hammered 63-15. I think that Ron Bagley got on the bus after the meeting and apologised to us all for the terrible performance.

Was on that bus, if today's supporters think we are bad now, you should look at results from 1980+81 to see how bad your team could be 🤪