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Ipswich Witches v Belle Vue 10th July


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18 minutes ago, tellboy said:

Can't believe the Ipswich fans believe everything that comes out of Hawkins mouth.This is a man who doesn't have the decency to shake hands in defeat.So he is still sore about that night obviously😅.Who would he be sharing the berth with,was that mentioned?

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17 minutes ago, StarBoy said:

Easy to moan about other teams manipulating/cheating but just look at your RS situation at the start of the season. Think you’ll find Jenkins opted out of the scheme in 2024, but somehow managed to get shoehorned back into it for Ipswich’s benefit in 25…

Jenkins didn't opt out of the scheme, he "graduated" because his average went above 4.00. Once it dropped down, he was eligible to be a RS again, that's always been in the rules.

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13 minutes ago, StarBoy said:

We weren’t, but life moves on. We were supposed to have Jenkins at RS this year (even though I think it’s wrong anyway that he was allowed back into the scheme after opting out in 2024), but Ipswich kicked up such a stink that they couldn’t retain him once he opted back into the scheme that he stayed there. So much for the draft system…

That should never have been allowed, once Jenkins was eligible again, then Birmingham, Lynn or Oxford should have picked him. So what if Ipswich wanted him back? The rules were clear, he wasn't their current RS so should've been part of the draft.

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3 hours ago, BluPanther said:

Richie Hawkins on Vinnie Foord...

I know a lot of you will have seen we wanted to use him on Monday at Oxford and what a massive drama that was. Unfortunately, the SCB said he wasn’t going to be allowed to guest so we wanted to put him in the team and then take him out in the same way King’s Lynn have been doing with their Rising Stars. Then we were told Monday morning that we weren’t allowed to do that, but King’s Lynn still would be which to me is completely wrong and I know Chris feels the same way. This is what we work with, and we will do our very best and I’m sure we will all give him a great welcome on Thursday.

If that's true, it's pure insanity by the BSPL / SCB, you can't have different rules for different teams.

Maybe Ipswich wanted to use Foord and also guests for Jenkins, but we're told they couldn't drop Foord for Jenkins to use guests. Which makes sense, clubs can't sign an already injured rider & expect to use guests!

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2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

If it was another team getting special treatment to manipulate the regulations then he would be talking about that team

It's not his fault that it so often seems to be the Stars cheating/manipulating/lying* 

*delete as applicable

 Ermm... Do i have to delete one;)

An ex team manager once said to me "you wouldn't believe what goes on behind the scenes" . Says it all really tbf.

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14 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

That should never have been allowed, once Jenkins was eligible again, then Birmingham, Lynn or Oxford should have picked him. So what if Ipswich wanted him back? The rules were clear, he wasn't their current RS so should've been part of the draft.

I agree, this is why Ipswich fans shouldn’t throw stones as too many of them live in glass houses. And this is why Hawkins shouldn’t be concerning himself with what is happening at Lynn now. 

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On 7/8/2025 at 12:42 PM, StarBoy said:

Why does Hawkins feel the need to have to drag us into everyone one of his pre-meeting comments? Crack on and worry about yourself lads, no need to concern yourself with what’s going on with us…

I’m sure he would have said the same whichever team was allowed to do that, while the Witches have been denied - although, to be fair to the SCB, I can understand why they’ve made that decision.

Comment here deleted, after finding out actual reason for Ford being unable to ride at Oxford.

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24 minutes ago, Robinh88 said:

Statistically BV do have the best spearhead in the league.

By a fair way as well. So far this season..

Home...  Kurtz 10.38, Bewley 10.17.       Away...  Kurtz 8.20, Bewley 8.50.

Home...  Doyle 8.89. Emil 8.86.             Away...  Doyle 7.84, Emil 7.49

Jason isn't fully fit though. I'd take Ippo's pair to outscore BV's at the Foxhole though.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Robinh88 said:

Statistically BV do have the best spearhead in the league.

Yeah that’s fair. Statistically though, Ipswich are the best team in Britain being top of the league. We tried a power house of Doyle and Emil before and it only got us so far, now we have a well round team so we are the best team… statistically.

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1 hour ago, Bald Bloke said:

By a fair way as well. So far this season..

Home...  Kurtz 10.38, Bewley 10.17.       Away...  Kurtz 8.20, Bewley 8.50.

Home...  Doyle 8.89. Emil 8.86.             Away...  Doyle 7.84, Emil 7.49

Jason isn't fully fit though. I'd take Ippo's pair to outscore BV's at the Foxhole though.

 

 

Massive home advantage on the NSS long track.  Kurtz and Bewley also in their prime whereas Doyle and Emil getting past their best

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one assumes that if scott or harrsion were riding in an ndl/ndt fixture on the same night as a stars meeting then they would have to fulfil their third tier commitment too 

im sure there is some extra detail that mr hawkins has chosen to omit from his bleat

stirring the pot ahead of monday perhaps 

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I don’t think any Ipswich fan will disagree that Bewley and Kurtz are the best top 2 in the league 

Fact is neither ride Foxhall that well and Lidsey and Cook struggle as well 

Keep Bewley and Kurtz to 24 between then Ipswich win easily 

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24 minutes ago, Gavan said:

I don’t think any Ipswich fan will disagree that Bewley and Kurtz are the best top 2 in the league 

Fact is neither ride Foxhall that well and Lidsey and Cook struggle as well 

Keep Bewley and Kurtz to 24 between then Ipswich win easily 

Probably likely think the top two will hit double figures. 

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Well done to the Aces, the only team to not use a guest so far ..

Let's hope they can continue to see if it can be done all season...

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1 hour ago, SaddlebowRoad said:

one assumes that if scott or harrsion were riding in an ndl/ndt fixture on the same night as a stars meeting then they would have to fulfil their third tier commitment too 

im sure there is some extra detail that mr hawkins has chosen to omit from his bleat

stirring the pot ahead of monday perhaps 

You assume wrong!

Scott and Harrison are being alternated in the official declared RS spot and if they were the one declared at the time of a NDL clash then the Prem would have priority

A rider however cannot miss a NDL meeting to take a guest booking in thd Prem

That is the reason Foord could not guest (nothing to do with the Worky situation) and why originally he was declared formally in place of JJ

This was only reversed when it was stated it was not allowed to mix and match in the way Lynn are doing

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1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

You assume wrong!

Scott and Harrison are being alternated in the official declared RS spot and if they were the one declared at the time of a NDL clash then the Prem would have priority

A rider however cannot miss a NDL meeting to take a guest booking in thd Prem

That is the reason Foord could not guest (nothing to do with the Worky situation) and why originally he was declared formally in place of JJ

This was only reversed when it was stated it was not allowed to mix and match in the way Lynn are doing

Who did Ipswich have in mind to share the R/S spot with Foord?

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2 hours ago, Gavan said:

I don’t think any Ipswich fan will disagree that Bewley and Kurtz are the best top 2 in the league 

Fact is neither ride Foxhall that well and Lidsey and Cook struggle as well 

Keep Bewley and Kurtz to 24 between then Ipswich win easily 

Disagree with that, Kurtz over the past few seasons has been the most impressive away rider around Foxhall.

he had a bum meeting at the start of this season but the whole belle vue side were well out of sorts that night.

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