Ipswich Witches vs Oxford Spires Thursday 7th August

[Hawk127]

4 minutes ago, SilentLurker said:

As the great philosopher and wordsmith Kelvin Tatum would say. This Ipswich track is working overtime to be the worst in the country tonight. No doubt about that.

 

 

The criticism of the track may well be valid but some level of criticism must lay with the riders who on today’s machine can rarely adapt to different track conditions and it makes the racing boring because of the set up and the general lack of rider skills with most on gate and go bikes but little track craft. Give the riders four track spares and ask them to race and then you will separate the men from the boys. Until you have an affordable level playing field races will be strung out because riders have simply lost the art/skill of riding to the conditions rather than the set ups.

[AceBelle]

1 minute ago, Gavan said:

Hahahaha 

Well you win the award for the most stupid comment of the evening 

Doyle looked back on the back straight saw Ellis in second 

Bewley needed to help his team mate to win the match!!

Nice try trying to compare the two but totally different scenarios 

Oh and many Belle Vue fans criticised Bewley as well 

 

3 minutes ago, Gavan said:

Hahahaha 

Well you win the award for the most stupid comment of the evening 

Doyle looked back on the back straight saw Ellis in second 

Bewley needed to help his team mate to win the match!!

Nice try trying to compare the two but totally different scenarios 

Oh and many Belle Vue fans criticised Bewley as well 

🎣🎣 unless you are a rider no one knows what riders do on track we can all have go but basically we don't know why ? do you think Bewley or Doyle give a dam what all the keyboard warriors say !! we all know the answer to that !! so you say one look back i say none in 4 laps of a race super team riding that he was clearly 20meters in front all the way !! 

[Baldyman]

Blimey,, just looked on updates expecting to see the Witches atleast 20 or so up,,,dear oh dear 

[SilentLurker]

2 minutes ago, Hawk127 said:

The criticism of the track may well be valid but some level of criticism must lay with the riders who on today’s machine can rarely adapt to different track conditions and it makes the racing boring because of the set up and the general lack of rider skills with most on gate and go bikes but little track craft. Give the riders four track spares and ask them to race and then you will separate the men from the boys. Until you have an affordable level playing field races will be strung out because riders have simply lost the art/skill of riding to the conditions rather than the set ups.

Not for me this take.. as the sport has evolved the tracks have not. If you watch racing at Belle Vue, Glasgow or Workington it is like watching a different sport to this absolute tripe on display. Riders are flat out pushing the bikes to their limit and have room for slight error with more room. Tracks like Ipswich, Poole and Edinburgh the riders are hunched over the the bikes trickling round like amateurs just happy to get 4 laps in.

The only slight exception to this for me is Plymouth but that is more of a novelty because of how small it is. But these narrow tight tracks are holding the sport back.

[Gavan]

7 minutes ago, AceBelle said:

 

🎣🎣 unless you are a rider no one knows what riders do on track we can all have go but basically we don't know why ? do you think Bewley or Doyle give a dam what all the keyboard warriors say !! we all know the answer to that !! so you say one look back i say none in 4 laps of a race super team riding that he was clearly 20meters in front all the way !! 

Hardly any riders team ride these days 

But when your team needs a 2nd and 3rd to win a match do you not think it’s a tad foolish to just race off into the distance?

You are allowed to criticise your own team when they mess up … the riders make mistakes all the time and Bewley absolutely did 

[foreverblue]

4 minutes ago, Baldyman said:

Blimey,, just looked on updates expecting to see the Witches atleast 20 or so up,,,dear oh dear 

I would not believe all you see, some riders are on average reducing duty.

[Bash]

And why not other teams are doing it

[Gavan]

3 minutes ago, SilentLurker said:

Not for me this take.. as the sport has evolved the tracks have not. If you watch racing at Belle Vue, Glasgow or Workington it is like watching a different sport to this absolute tripe on display. Riders are flat out pushing the bikes to their limit and have room for slight error with more room. Tracks like Ipswich, Poole and Edinburgh the riders are hunched over the the bikes trickling round like amateurs just happy to get 4 laps in.

The only slight exception to this for me is Plymouth but that is more of a novelty because of how small it is. But these narrow tight tracks are holding the sport back.

You say the sport has evolved but some tracks have been around for years and some are new 

Foxhall has been Ipswich’s home for decades so please enlighten me how they can make it into a better track they can only work with what they have 

How long have we had Belle Vue , Glasgow and Workington tracks? Answer is not long they have all been purpose built and to a good standard 

Some of these great fast tracks have closed like Peterborough and Bradford 

Kings Lynn and Poole used to be good tracks but it shows you how the sport has declined as those clubs dont give a damn about their tracks , Poole in particular 

Ipswich each winter have made track changes and we have seen better racing then previous years….. tonight it’s the track prep that’s the issue 

[Hawk127]

4 minutes ago, SilentLurker said:

Not for me this take.. as the sport has evolved the tracks have not. If you watch racing at Belle Vue, Glasgow or Workington it is like watching a different sport to this absolute tripe on display. Riders are flat out pushing the bikes to their limit and have room for slight error with more room. Tracks like Ipswich, Poole and Edinburgh the riders are hunched over the the bikes trickling round like amateurs just happy to get 4 laps in.

The only slight exception to this for me is Plymouth but that is more of a novelty because of how small it is. But these narrow tight tracks are holding the sport back.

I think the problem is that the machinery has outgrown the tracks so I agree with your comments. I don’t know what Plymouth is like but if you have a rider like Scott on your books he will dial in to conditions and be a joy to watch. Even at his age his commitment is top drawer and any team/supporter will find him the ultimate professional. When and where possible I would go to any meeting where Scot is riding because he will always give 110%. I was lucky enough to to see him ride for Ipswich and in my eyes he has always been a class act.

[Fromafar]

22 minutes ago, Hawk127 said:

The criticism of the track may well be valid but some level of criticism must lay with the riders who on today’s machine can rarely adapt to different track conditions and it makes the racing boring because of the set up and the general lack of rider skills with most on gate and go bikes but little track craft. Give the riders four track spares and ask them to race and then you will separate the men from the boys. Until you have an affordable level playing field races will be strung out because riders have simply lost the art/skill of riding to the conditions rather than the set ups.

Would agree.

[IainB]

3 hours ago, Hawk127 said:

I think the problem is that the machinery has outgrown the tracks so I agree with your comments. I don’t know what Plymouth is like but if you have a rider like Scott on your books he will dial in to conditions and be a joy to watch. Even at his age his commitment is top drawer and any team/supporter will find him the ultimate professional. When and where possible I would go to any meeting where Scot is riding because he will always give 110%. I was lucky enough to to see him ride for Ipswich and in my eyes he has always been a class act.

Was brilliant for Leicester too when we had him, shame his tv commitments got in the way of him returning for us... and of course he did miss a Saturday night match for us when he elected to do tv work instead... so let's say 109%

Edited 33 minutes ago by IainB

[Toady]

7 minutes ago, Hawk127 said:

if you have a rider like Scott on your books he will dial in to conditions and be a joy to watch. Even at his age his commitment is top drawer and any team/supporter will find him the ultimate professional

Ditto Chris bomber Harris

[AceBelle]

12 minutes ago, Gavan said:

Hardly any riders team ride these days 

But when your team needs a 2nd and 3rd to win a match do you not think it’s a tad foolish to just race off into the distance?

You are allowed to criticise your own team when they mess up … the riders make mistakes all the time and Bewley absolutely did 

that's you're  entitled opinion also leaving a clear track for kurtz to try and pass doyle and sayfutinov instead of all 4 riders bunching up when it could have gone anyway ?? he obviously thought kurtz could do it on his own but kurtz was clearly down on his normal speed on the night !! we lost fair & square we move on play/offs different ball game it's who handles the pressure the best !! time will tell nothing won or lost yet !!

[IainB]

Why do BSN always cut away from a crash so quickly? What's wrong with them?

[Teromaafan]

9 minutes ago, IainB said:

Scott is English, was brilliant for Leicester too when we had him, shame his tv commitments got in the way of him returning for us. 

He was great for the Lions. Now though he couldn’t give a toss…… literally…..Which is why he got the Belle Vue & Ipswich captains to do rock/paper/scissors for gate positions on Monday’s TNT meeting!

[SilentLurker]

30 minutes ago, Gavan said:

You say the sport has evolved but some tracks have been around for years and some are new 

Foxhall has been Ipswich’s home for decades so please enlighten me how they can make it into a better track they can only work with what they have 

This sort of response merits a stupid reply so I will give it one. What can they do? They can win the lottery and buy the rights to the whole stadium, kick out the stock cars and create a Belle Vue/Glasgow/Workington hybrid track. Does that answer your question? 
 

How clubs can sort out their track is not something I can speak about but why they should try and change them is. Narrow tight tracks have no place in modern speedway. The track Ipswich have is not even that narrow but the racing line is, a better shape would work wonders.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

That was largely dross 

[SilentLurker]

30 minutes ago, Gavan said:

You say the sport has evolved but some tracks have been around for years and some are new 

Foxhall has been Ipswich’s home for decades so please enlighten me how they can make it into a better track they can only work with what they have 

This sort of response merits a stupid reply so I will give it one. What can they do? They can win the lottery and buy the rights to the whole stadium, kick out the stock cars and create a Belle Vue/Glasgow/Workington hybrid track. Does that answer your question? 
 

How clubs can sort out their track is not something I can speak about but why they should try and change them is. Narrow tight tracks have no place in modern speedway. The track Ipswich have is not even that narrow but the racing line is, a better shape would work wonders.

[Gavan]

3 minutes ago, SilentLurker said:

This sort of response merits a stupid reply so I will give it one. What can they do? They can win the lottery and buy the rights to the whole stadium, kick out the stock cars and create a Belle Vue/Glasgow/Workington hybrid track. Does that answer your question? 
 

How clubs can sort out their track is not something I can speak about but why they should try and change them is. Narrow tight tracks have no place in modern speedway. The track Ipswich have is not even that narrow but the racing line is, a better shape would work wonders.

There has always been big fast tracks and always been smaller technical tracks throughout the life of the sport

You can’t just expect the technical tracks to suddenly become these amazing fast tracks with many different lines and overtaking a plenty 

The bikes are more advanced now and the skill set of the riders on these machines means that many can only handle the big tracks and some meetings get ruined because of this

Smaller tracks can provide great meetings … go watch Eastbourne v Poole 1999 on you tube 

The sport isn’t dying because of the tracks it’s much deeper than that

[Roger Jacobs]

1 hour ago, AceBelle said:

so certain ipswich fans criticising bewley on monday for clearing off in front not looking for his teamate !! well just watched Doyle do exactly the same in heat 5 cleared off and didn't once look for Ellis !!! kettle pot black etc hypocrisy at it's best 😂 

You really are hilarious - desperately trying to make points that aren't there.