PersonalResponsibility Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 1 hour ago, stevehone said: i think people underestimate rider power, there will be quite a few that say they can't ride unless they double up/down. if it's only for one team then riders will want paying so much more It shouldn't be pitched at having to choose between 1 team or 2, it should be pitched as sign the contract at what we're willing to pay or don't. I know the world has moved on since the 80s/90s, and there aren't many jobs now who'll bend over backwards to accomodate speedway riders, but their bluff has to be called at some point. If clubs want one league, and clubs can only afford X amount, that is what the riders will have to do. Of course, I'm sure some will say "stuff it", but how many realistically will? They'll still be reasonably paid for what is, let's be honest, a better 'job' than most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago oh i agree, i worked for BT when i rode and used holiday, i'm just pointing out that i've had these discussions with riders in the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 6 hours ago, stevehone said: i think people underestimate rider power, there will be quite a few that say they can't ride unless they double up/down. if it's only for one team then riders will want paying so much more In theory one league would provide the riders as many meetings as they’d get doubling up but it gives the sport a whole lot more integrity than if they’re riding for two different teams. Presumably the pay scale would be somewhere between the leagues now so even out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 53 minutes ago, Ben91 said: In theory one league would provide the riders as many meetings as they’d get doubling up but it gives the sport a whole lot more integrity than if they’re riding for two different teams. Presumably the pay scale would be somewhere between the leagues now so even out. Integrity - mmmm - that is a good word. Do you mean integrity in the way that Sheffield finished top of the League last night and are not Champions. After a very hard Season, they (Sheffield) are robbed of the Championship by the 'Play Off' System. INTEGRITY - don't make me laugh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersonalResponsibility Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, The White Knight said: Integrity - mmmm - that is a good word. Do you mean integrity in the way that Sheffield finished top of the League last night and are not Champions. After a very hard Season, they (Sheffield) are robbed of the Championship by the 'Play Off' System. INTEGRITY - don't make me laugh. Sheffield lost the league championship the moment they didn't score enough points at Leicester on Monday. End of story. integrity /ɪnˈtɛɡrɪti/ noun - 1.the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles. Seven Premiership teams signed up to ride this season, each of them knowing that a play-off would decide the league winner. It wouldn't seem very "honest" or "moral" to me that Sheffield be crowned champions despite losing in the play-offs. In fact, I'd say that's...the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, PersonalResponsibility said: Sheffield lost the league championship the moment they didn't score enough points at Leicester on Monday. End of story. integrity /ɪnˈtɛɡrɪti/ noun - 1.the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles. Seven Premiership teams signed up to ride this season, each of them knowing that a play-off would decide the league winner. It wouldn't seem very "honest" or "moral" to me that Sheffield be crowned champions despite losing in the play-offs. In fact, I'd say that's...the opposite. You might say the opposite. I read your definition of integrity with interest. Honest and strong moral principles. Those seven Clubs signed up because they had no choice, where is the morality in that? I'm afraid you do not convince me, Sheffield are the Champions of the League - one of the the other four finalists is the 'Play Off' Champions. I don't see the Premier League in Football having 'Play Offs' for the Championship. The other Leagues yes. My Team, Sunderland, just got promoted through the 'Play Off's' but 'Play Offs', in my opinion are basically wrong. You work very hard all Season you win the League. Oh dear, now we have to win it again. What a travesty. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersonalResponsibility Posted 50 minutes ago Report Share Posted 50 minutes ago 1 hour ago, The White Knight said: You might say the opposite. I read your definition of integrity with interest. Honest and strong moral principles. Those seven Clubs signed up because they had no choice, where is the morality in that? I'm afraid you do not convince me, Sheffield are the Champions of the League - one of the the other four finalists is the 'Play Off' Champions. I don't see the Premier League in Football having 'Play Offs' for the Championship. The other Leagues yes. My Team, Sunderland, just got promoted through the 'Play Off's' but 'Play Offs', in my opinion are basically wrong. You work very hard all Season you win the League. Oh dear, now we have to win it again. What a travesty. I'm well aware of your stance on playoffs, and while I disagree, you're entitled to that. I don't quite see how teams had "no choice" whether to sign up, it's quite a straightforward choice in my mind: do or don't. Using that same logic, you can argue it's immoral that teams have to enter PL football knowing that there are no playoffs. Let's also remember, if the clubs didn't want playoffs so badly, they can all vote against them at the AGM. Thankfully they don't, playoffs are brilliant. One of the best things to happen to speedway in years and years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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