Speedway 2026 ??

[PersonalResponsibility]

1 hour ago, stevehone said:

i think people underestimate rider power, there will be quite a few that say they can't ride unless they double up/down.

if it's only for one team then riders will want paying so much more

It shouldn't be pitched at having to choose between 1 team or 2, it should be pitched as sign the contract at what we're willing to pay or don't. I know the world has moved on since the 80s/90s, and there aren't many jobs now who'll bend over backwards to accomodate speedway riders, but their bluff has to be called at some point.

If clubs want one league, and clubs can only afford X amount, that is what the riders will have to do. Of course, I'm sure some will say "stuff it", but how many realistically will? They'll still be reasonably paid for what is, let's be honest, a better 'job' than most.

[stevehone]

oh i agree, i worked for BT when i rode and used holiday, i'm just pointing out that i've had these discussions with riders in the past

[Ben91]

6 hours ago, stevehone said:

i think people underestimate rider power, there will be quite a few that say they can't ride unless they double up/down.

if it's only for one team then riders will want paying so much more

In theory one league would provide the riders as many meetings as they’d get doubling up but it gives the sport a whole lot more integrity than if they’re riding for two different teams. 

Presumably the pay scale would be somewhere between the leagues now so even out.

 

[The White Knight]

53 minutes ago, Ben91 said:

In theory one league would provide the riders as many meetings as they’d get doubling up but it gives the sport a whole lot more integrity than if they’re riding for two different teams. 

Presumably the pay scale would be somewhere between the leagues now so even out.

 

 Integrity - mmmm - that is a good word.

Do you mean integrity in the way that Sheffield finished top of the League last night and are not Champions.

After a very hard Season, they (Sheffield) are robbed of the Championship by the 'Play Off' System.

INTEGRITY - don't make me laugh.

[PersonalResponsibility]

1 minute ago, The White Knight said:

 Integrity - mmmm - that is a good word.

Do you mean integrity in the way that Sheffield finished top of the League last night and are not Champions.

After a very hard Season, they (Sheffield) are robbed of the Championship by the 'Play Off' System.

INTEGRITY - don't make me laugh.

Sheffield lost the league championship the moment they didn't score enough points at Leicester on Monday. End of story.

integrity /ɪnˈtɛɡrɪti/ noun - 1.the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.

Seven Premiership teams signed up to ride this season, each of them knowing that a play-off would decide the league winner. It wouldn't seem very "honest" or "moral" to me that Sheffield be crowned champions despite losing in the play-offs. In fact, I'd say that's...the opposite.

[The White Knight]

2 hours ago, PersonalResponsibility said:

Sheffield lost the league championship the moment they didn't score enough points at Leicester on Monday. End of story.

integrity /ɪnˈtɛɡrɪti/ noun - 1.the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.

Seven Premiership teams signed up to ride this season, each of them knowing that a play-off would decide the league winner. It wouldn't seem very "honest" or "moral" to me that Sheffield be crowned champions despite losing in the play-offs. In fact, I'd say that's...the opposite.

You  might say the opposite. I read your definition of integrity with interest.

Honest and strong moral principles. Those seven Clubs signed up because they had no choice, where is the morality in that?

I'm afraid you do not convince me, Sheffield are the Champions of the League - one of the the other four finalists is the 'Play Off' Champions.

I don't see the Premier League in Football having 'Play Offs' for the Championship. The other Leagues yes. My Team, Sunderland, just got promoted through the 'Play Off's' but 'Play Offs', in my opinion are basically wrong. You work very hard all Season you win the League. Oh dear, now we have to win it again. What a travesty.

[PersonalResponsibility]

1 hour ago, The White Knight said:

You  might say the opposite. I read your definition of integrity with interest.

Honest and strong moral principles. Those seven Clubs signed up because they had no choice, where is the morality in that?

I'm afraid you do not convince me, Sheffield are the Champions of the League - one of the the other four finalists is the 'Play Off' Champions.

I don't see the Premier League in Football having 'Play Offs' for the Championship. The other Leagues yes. My Team, Sunderland, just got promoted through the 'Play Off's' but 'Play Offs', in my opinion are basically wrong. You work very hard all Season you win the League. Oh dear, now we have to win it again. What a travesty.

I'm well aware of your stance on playoffs, and while I disagree, you're entitled to that. I don't quite see how teams had "no choice" whether to sign up, it's quite a straightforward choice in my mind: do or don't. Using that same logic, you can argue it's immoral that teams have to enter PL football knowing that there are no playoffs.

Let's also remember, if the clubs didn't want playoffs so badly, they can all vote against them at the AGM. Thankfully they don't, playoffs are brilliant. One of the best things to happen to speedway in years and years.

[The White Knight]

1 hour ago, PersonalResponsibility said:

I'm well aware of your stance on playoffs, and while I disagree, you're entitled to that. I don't quite see how teams had "no choice" whether to sign up, it's quite a straightforward choice in my mind: do or don't. Using that same logic, you can argue it's immoral that teams have to enter PL football knowing that there are no playoffs.

Let's also remember, if the clubs didn't want playoffs so badly, they can all vote against them at the AGM. Thankfully they don't, playoffs are brilliant. One of the best things to happen to speedway in years and years.

Whilst I am quite happy to disagree with you, I would like to gently point out that if one, two, three or four Clubs refused to sign, what would happen then? They would probably be coerced. Not much integrity/morality about coercion.

In addition, they complain every year about Fixture congestion. If the 'Play Offs' were dropped there would probably be no congestion, and may make room for another Cup Competition to compensate for the 'Play Off's'.

Perhaps the Cup Competition could be played out by the top four Clubs in the Premier League, as a reward for finishing in the top four in the League itself.

That system would ensure the integrity of the League, as the top team would win the League Championship, as is right and proper, and may even do the 'double' by winning the Cup too.

As regards the 'Play Off's' being "brilliant" - Speedway is fading away, years ago it was thriving and we had no 'Play Off's then. I am not saying that the 'Play Off's' are the cause of this but, I bet it is a part of the problem. Some Supporters may well say that there is no reason to attend the bog standard League Matches as they mean nothing, we will just go along to the 'Play Off's'.

So, in effect the 'Play Off's' may have an effect on attendance after all - and not a good one.

 

Edited 37 minutes ago by The White Knight
Forgot a couple of points

[PersonalResponsibility]

2 minutes ago, The White Knight said:

Whilst I am quite happy to disagree with you, I would like to gently point out that if one, two, three or four Clubs refused to sign, what would happen then? They would probably be coerced. Not much integrity/morality about coercion.

In addition, they complain every year about Fixture congestion. If the 'Play Offs' were dropped there would probably be no congestion, and may make room for another Cup Competition to compensate for the 'Play Off's'.

Perhaps the Cup Competition could be played out by the top four Clubs in the Premier League, as a reward for finishing in the top four in the League.

That system would ensure the integrity of the League, as the top team would win the League Championship, and may even do the 'double' by winning the Cup too.

I think you could scrap the playoffs, the KO Cup, the Premier Trophy (or whatever it is now) and you'd still have fixture congestion - it's the one thing speedway does best!

We'll agree to disagree on the playoffs. Enjoy your speedway 👌

[The White Knight]

20 minutes ago, PersonalResponsibility said:

I think you could scrap the playoffs, the KO Cup, the Premier Trophy (or whatever it is now) and you'd still have fixture congestion - it's the one thing speedway does best!

We'll agree to disagree on the playoffs. Enjoy your speedway 👌

I edited my Post.

I have enjoyed our discussion. It is good that we can discuss these things amicably. 👍

I really hope that you enjoy your Speedway too. That, in the end, is what it is all about. 🙂

Edited 25 minutes ago by The White Knight
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