Ben91 Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: I’m hearing AGM postponed till January, anyone confirm ? To quote the Chuckle Brothers, “oh dear oh dear.” Incidentally, maybe the surviving Chuckle could do some PR about how he watched speedway once in the 80s. Or even have a go at running the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Ben91 said: To quote the Chuckle Brothers, “oh dear oh dear.” Incidentally, maybe the surviving Chuckle could do some PR about how he watched speedway once in the 80s. Or even have a go at running the sport. Need Tommy Cooper really. “ just like that “ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago team will only go up if the BSPA can guarantee to cover their extra losses involved in going up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago (edited) AGM is going to be a mess anyway, Northampton running at Oxford with no fan base is the rumoured solution according to those who run our Sport and that's a disaster waiting to happen. Nothing changes until they stop playing happy families at the AGM, All of these 1-2 Year solutions they come up with aren't good enough, They need to come up with a long term plan for a change. I stick by what I said despite nobody agreeing.....Glasgow shouldn't be allowed to compete in the Championship and the same to a lesser extent goes for Poole. They're basically sacrificing clubs every year just to allow Glasgow and Poole to compete below their level. Edited 21 hours ago by TTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago My guess is that this is designed to allow Futures time to try and get some deals done It's hard to look past that as it stands there's not enough for 5 teams to commit let alone a 6th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 7-7 Split (Won't happen obviously) Can't have Northampton running at all imo if the plan is for them to run at Oxford, They don't have a fan base and they're relying on Oxford fans turning up to watch a club that they don't support on a regular basis = DISASTER written all over it. PREMIERSHIP -> Belle Vue, Glasgow, Ipswich, King's Lynn, Leicester, Poole and Sheffield CHAMPIONSHIP -> Berwick, Edinburgh, Oxford, Plymouth, Redcar, Scunthorpe and Workington Predictable AGM Solution Another short term solution with a 6-9 Split and play happy families again by letting the Ford's and Glasgow compete below their level whilst sending another lamb to the slaughter because they don't want Northampton and Oxford competing against each other in the same League when sharing the same Track / Stadium. PREMIERSHIP -> Belle Vue, Ipswich, King's Lynn, Leicester, Northampton and Sheffield CHAMPIONSHIP -> Berwick, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Oxford, Plymouth, Poole, Redcar, Scunthorpe and Workington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeOldPitGate Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 55 minutes ago, Youhave2minutes said: One must go up surely The championship clubs would probably rather take their chances with a revolver with one bullet in it and five empty chambers spin the barrel and hope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedwaySlider72 Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 5 minutes ago, TTT said: Another short term solution with a 6-9 Split and play happy families again by letting the Ford's and Glasgow compete below their level whilst sending another lamb to the slaughter. You have been vocal with your feelings on this. Do you not think the onus is on the Premiership to make it an appealing proposition for a club to move up rather than blaming clubs for sticking in the Championship where they run a more sensible operating model for their business? The Premiership has been shedding clubs in recent years - why would anyone wish to join it at this time? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 2 hours ago, Noelinho said: Yes. Early January, possibly. Is that 2026 or 2027?... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 22 minutes ago, noaksey said: My guess is that this is designed to allow Futures time to try and get some deals done It's hard to look past that as it stands there's not enough for 5 teams to commit let alone a 6th You may well be right re Futures needing time to get some deals, but considering they have been at it for over a year you’d think they would have something tied up by now for 2026. Maybe the AGM being delayed is for more than one reason or another? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 7 minutes ago, SpeedwaySlider72 said: You have been vocal with your feelings on this. Do you not think the onus is on the Premiership to make it an appealing proposition for a club to move up rather than blaming clubs for sticking in the Championship where they run a more sensible operating model for their business? The Premiership has been shedding clubs in recent years - why would anyone wish to join it at this time? However ... The Championship only pay rates they can afford due to doubling up.... Championship HL's will want (at least), double if they only have one job... Would the Championship stlill be "OK" then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 42 minutes ago, TTT said: I stick by what I said despite nobody agreeing.....Glasgow shouldn't be allowed to compete in the Championship and the same to a lesser extent goes for Poole. They're basically sacrificing clubs every year just to allow Glasgow and Poole to compete below their level. Better than sacrificing two well run like Poole & Glasgow to keep the PL going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 13 minutes ago, mikebv said: Is that 2026 or 2027?... Yes maybe possibly surely hopefully, any of these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 14 minutes ago, SpeedwaySlider72 said: You have been vocal with your feelings on this. Do you not think the onus is on the Premiership to make it an appealing proposition for a club to move up rather than blaming clubs for sticking in the Championship where they run a more sensible operating model for their business? The Premiership has been shedding clubs in recent years - why would anyone wish to join it at this time? No imo. If the PREM collapses then the CHAMP collapses too and clubs like Glasgow and Poole will have to open the cheque book anyway because current CHAMP HL's as well as British League D/UP's will demand much more money to cover a loss of income. It's a benefit to everyone for British Speedway to have 2 Main Tiers but 2 Main Tiers is only possible if powerhouse clubs are willing to put the Sport first instead of themselves. Unfortunately clubs don't operate like that over here, Hopefully one day they will but the Sport as a whole hasn't come first at an AGM in years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 11 minutes ago, mikebv said: However ... The Championship only pay rates they can afford due to doubling up.... Championship HL's will want (at least), double if they only have one job... Would the Championship stlill be "OK" then? Thats up to the championship promoters and riders to sort out, not the PL promoters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WookieboyDon Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago (edited) The delay (if true) is more than likely for a number of reasons, relating from Sheffield and Northampton to bagging new sponsors and, most important of all, a new tv deal. If the latter is still under negotiation, then they need to give it time to hopefully be completed. After all, if they do get one sorted then it would have a big bearing on league structure and who is in what league based on tv money. We just need to be patient. This isn’t a time for knee jerk reactions. Edited 19 hours ago by WookieboyDon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, The Third Man said: Thats up to the championship promoters and riders to sort out, not the PL promoters Due to the current operating model, they both need each other, to help subsidise one another.... For me, it is time for brutal honesty and that brutal reality is that the GP stars and the likes of Emil, Chris Holder, Magic and Tai (if not injured), will have taken between them all, circa seven figures in combined salaries... Paid for in the main by the TV money and a significant number of well meaning sponsors putting in high five figure numbers.. Those seven figures would have been far better used as prize money for winning the top tier... Shared amongst the seven teams last year... "A Million Pound Premiership" would have given those who run the sport something to "sell" to bigger, more well known, potential sponsors, advertisers and mainstream media.... The "top stars" were almost "heralded" as being vital for the growth of the sport in the UK, as they would "bring crowds back"... The reality was they were "heralded" by pretty much the same number of fans who were always going to attend anyway, and didn't nationally after the initial novelty wore off, increase crowds across the country, to make these "truly high quality riders", anywhere near even "cost neutral", never mind "profitable", as the vast majority of those potential circa 80 million potential pundits in the nation have (still), not even heard of Speedway, never mind any of the riders who "came back"... For me, we are at ground zero and the sport should "start again"... And not miss (once again), that opportunity... Let's face it, if you were launching a brand new sport this Monday, and someone suggested, at the planning stage, using the current UK Speedway operating model, they would be laughed out of the room... The promoters are well meaning enthusiasts rather than tough pragmatists, and the sport desperately needs, (and has needed them for years), cold, hard, tough pragmatists, that let their heads rule in decison making, not their emotions.... We all would love to watch the world's best each week, and rub shoulders with them in the pits, taking selfies.. The bottom line is though that their combined costs dont, (currently) make economic sense... If the AGM is delayed you can only hope it is because negotiations are still taking place about a TV deal, (as that will be fundamental), however, let's be honest, every TV Company over the past decade, has dropped the sport, so its "stock" may not be running that high... Surely time therefore for a total, well planned, reset and relaunch in the new year... A few steps back to move, hopefully, forward over the next few years.. . Using whatever operating model, and standard of riders, that it can afford to bring growth...... Edited 19 hours ago by mikebv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago 11 minutes ago, mikebv said: Due to the current operating model, they both need each other, to help subsidise one another.... For me, it is time for brutal honesty and that brutal reality is that the GP stars and the likes of Emil, Chris Holder, Magic and Tai (if not injured), will have taken between them all, circa seven figures in combined salaries... Paid for in the main by the TV money and a significant number of well meaning sponsors putting in high five figure numbers.. Those seven figures would have been far better used as prize money for winning the top tier... Shared amongst the seven teams last year... "A Million Pound Premiership" would have given those who run the sport something to "sell" to bigger, more well known, potential sponsors, advertisers and mainstream media.... The "top stars" were almost "heralded" as being vital for the growth of the sport in the UK, as they would "bring crowds back"... The reality was they were "heralded" by pretty much the same number of fans who were always going to attend anyway, and didn't nationally after the initial novelty wore off, increase crowds across the country, to make these "truly high quality riders", anywhere near even "cost neutral", never mind "profitable", as the vast majority of those potential circa 80 million potential pundits in the nation have (still), not even heard of Speedway, never mind any of the riders who "came back"... For me, we are at ground zero and the sport should "start again"... And not miss (once again), that opportunity... Let's face it, if you were launching a brand new sport this Monday, and someone suggested, at the planning stage, using the current UK Speedway operating model, they would be laughed out of the room... The promoters are well meaning enthusiasts rather than tough pragmatists, and the sport desperately needs, (and has needed them for years), cold, hard, tough pragmatists, that let their heads rule in decison making, not their emotions.... We all would love to watch the world's best each week, and rub shoulders with them in the pits, taking selfies.. The bottom line is though that their combined costs dont, (currently) make economic sense... If the AGM is delayed you can only hope it is because negotiations are still taking place about a TV deal, (as that will be fundamental), however, let's be honest, every TV Company over the past decade, has dropped the sport, so its "stock" may not be running that high... Time for a total reset... (Once Again).... So what would “a total reset” entail presuming no TV deal of any significance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago I keep seeing it written that the TV deal is vital. I remember reading that the Eurosport TV deal was only peanuts at best. In some circles it seemed that they covered the transmission costs & very little else. The TNT dealer was the final 2 years of the Eurosport dealer following the take over. Unless I am missing something the last TV wasn’t putting a great deal in the coffers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleze Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago (edited) 20 minutes ago, mikebv said: Due to the current operating model, they both need each other, to help subsidise one another.... For me, it is time for brutal honesty and that brutal reality is that the GP stars and the likes of Emil, Chris Holder, Magic and Tai (if not injured), will have taken between them all, circa seven figures in combined salaries... Paid for in the main by the TV money and a significant number of well meaning sponsors putting in high five figure numbers.. Those seven figures would have been far better used as prize money for winning the top tier... Shared amongst the seven teams last year... "A Million Pound Premiership" would have given those who run the sport something to "sell" to bigger, more well known, potential sponsors, advertisers and mainstream media.... The "top stars" were almost "heralded" as being vital for the growth of the sport in the UK, as they would "bring crowds back"... The reality was they were "heralded" by pretty much the same number of fans who were always going to attend anyway, and didn't nationally after the initial novelty wore off, increase crowds across the country, to make these "truly high quality riders", anywhere near even "cost neutral", never mind "profitable", as the vast majority of those potential circa 80 million potential pundits in the nation have (still), not even heard of Speedway, never mind any of the riders who "came back"... For me, we are at ground zero and the sport should "start again"... And not miss (once again), that opportunity... Let's face it, if you were launching a brand new sport this Monday, and someone suggested, at the planning stage, using the current UK Speedway operating model, they would be laughed out of the room... The promoters are well meaning enthusiasts rather than tough pragmatists, and the sport desperately needs, (and has needed them for years), cold, hard, tough pragmatists, that let their heads rule in decison making, not their emotions.... We all would love to watch the world's best each week, and rub shoulders with them in the pits, taking selfies.. The bottom line is though that their combined costs dont, (currently) make economic sense... If the AGM is delayed you can only hope it is because negotiations are still taking place about a TV deal, (as that will be fundamental), however, let's be honest, every TV Company over the past decade, has dropped the sport, so its "stock" may not be running that high... Surely time therefore for a total, well planned, reset and relaunch in the new year... A few steps back to move, hopefully, forward over the next few years.. . Using whatever operating model, and standard of riders, that it can afford to bring growth...... Edited 19 hours ago by Littleze No words submitted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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