Redcar 🐻 (42) vs Poole ☠️ (48) P/Off Semi Final 2nd leg Oct 5th 6pm

[StevePark]

40 minutes ago, SteveLyric2 said:

But, depending on how long Lawson's compassionate leave lasts, Ellis won't be usable next Friday due to the '8-day rule'!

He's replacing the #1, so it's OK:

011.4.2 Guest Rider (G)

b) a rider may ride as a guest (in an official meeting) at a track only once in an 8 day period (within that league) excluding Play Offs, unless he is replacing the home teams #1 or is ONLY declared in a British Development League Team

[foreverblue]

11 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

Big difference between a track which is usually excellent being poor now and again and a track which is usually poor being excellent now and again.

Yes but it does seem to get a lot of overly critical flack compared to other tracks. Maybe its because we make so many finals so get more than our fair share of tv coverage or more likely people who have a dislike of Poole and there are a lot, like to use it against us. 

[lbw]

Some of our own fans (so called) dislike Poole! 🤔🤔

Edited 7 hours ago by lbw

[SteveLyric2]

32 minutes ago, StevePark said:

He's replacing the #1, so it's OK:

011.4.2 Guest Rider (G)

b) a rider may ride as a guest (in an official meeting) at a track only once in an 8 day period (within that league) excluding Play Offs, unless he is replacing the home teams #1 or is ONLY declared in a British Development League Team

Ah yes. Good point. I'd forgotten that. Thanks.

[SteelShoe]

Went along to this fully expecting an exciting meeting and the Bears to push the Pirates all the way, somewhat inexplicably neither materialised. I have never witnessed a meeting at the Ecco Arena without a pass in 15 heats after the second bend. For whatever reason it was gate and go and invariably the Pirates were sharper in that department. Congrats to the Pirates who seem to manage to do what is necessary when it counts the most. Sure the Bears will be determined to regroup for the KO Cup meetings.

[Bagpuss]

1 hour ago, foreverblue said:

Yes but it does seem to get a lot of overly critical flack compared to other tracks. Maybe its because we make so many finals so get more than our fair share of tv coverage or more likely people who have a dislike of Poole and there are a lot, like to use it against us. 

I think its more likely because it just not a very good speedway track nowadays. Used to be very good but that was some time ago (20 years plus).

[Robinh88]

1 hour ago, SteelShoe said:

Went along to this fully expecting an exciting meeting and the Bears to push the Pirates all the way, somewhat inexplicably neither materialised. I have never witnessed a meeting at the Ecco Arena without a pass in 15 heats after the second bend. For whatever reason it was gate and go and invariably the Pirates were sharper in that department. Congrats to the Pirates who seem to manage to do what is necessary when it counts the most. Sure the Bears will be determined to regroup for the KO Cup meetings.

Poorest meeting I've seen there. Usually a good standard at Redcar.

[ruckerroo]

Refreshing interview from Redcars manager tbh . No excuses , no blame . He did seem a bit peeved that he can't use the guest he wants on Sunday v Glasgow tho .

Edited 5 hours ago by ruckerroo

[Fromafar]

1 hour ago, Bagpuss said:

I think its more likely because it just not a very good speedway track nowadays. Used to be very good but that was some time ago (20 years plus).

It’s not better or worse than lot of others on the various meetings I’ve seen in Uk.  Their riders can cope with it that’s the difference IMO.

[foreverblue]

1 hour ago, Bagpuss said:

I think its more likely because it just not a very good speedway track nowadays. Used to be very good but that was some time ago (20 years plus).

A bit like the AFA. I have been many brilliant meetings at both tracks. The world cup meeting at Poole was amazing. is it the material used or track prep or quality of rider I dont know. Bomber Harris may know as he has had some very poor meetings at Kings Lynn this year and at Poole. It was only 2018 which is not long ago that he pulled off an amazing last lap pass on Jason Doyle to get us to the final that year, he couldnt do that now.

[LisaColette]

42 minutes ago, ruckerroo said:

Refreshing interview from Redcars manager tbh . No excuses , no blame . He did seem a bit peeved that he can't use the guest he wants on Sunday v Glasgow tho .

Is that because he wants to use an Oxford or Poole rider? Like Killeen or Kerr? 

[Biffa]

Wonder if Jake Allen is on golfing duty again 🤷‍♂️. Is Nick Morris still ruled out with injury? I know it was a bad crash but no injury news seemed to follow. 

[Bagpuss]

20 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

A bit like the AFA. I have been many brilliant meetings at both tracks. The world cup meeting at Poole was amazing. is it the material used or track prep or quality of rider I dont know. Bomber Harris may know as he has had some very poor meetings at Kings Lynn this year and at Poole. It was only 2018 which is not long ago that he pulled off an amazing last lap pass on Jason Doyle to get us to the final that year, he couldnt do that now.

Very much like Lynn, but that is mainly due to the high clay content material which just doesnt suit modern speedway bikes. That said it very, very rarely has bumps and holes.

Perhaps a poor track gives Poole greater home advantage and home wins mean more bums on seats. Wouldn't be the first club to do that.

[foreverblue]

31 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

Very much like Lynn, but that is mainly due to the high clay content material which just doesnt suit modern speedway bikes. That said it very, very rarely has bumps and holes.

Perhaps a poor track gives Poole greater home advantage and home wins mean more bums on seats. Wouldn't be the first club to do that.

No holes or bumps at Lynn but in fairness Poole is not that bad in that regard these days, I am not sure bumps help the home riders much.

[foreverblue]

39 minutes ago, Biffa said:

Wonder if Jake Allen is on golfing duty again 🤷‍♂️. Is Nick Morris still ruled out with injury? I know it was a bad crash but no injury news seemed to follow. 

I would imagine he wants Jake again and cant because of 8 day rule.

[TracksideView]

4 hours ago, foreverblue said:

Yes but it does seem to get a lot of overly critical flack compared to other tracks. Maybe its because we make so many finals so get more than our fair share of tv coverage or more likely people who have a dislike of Poole and there are a lot, like to use it against us. 

It gets the appropriate criticism because its a poorly prepared track, blue groove/ little to zero dirt, bumps and holes, simple.

[Yearbyred]

4 hours ago, SteelShoe said:

Went along to this fully expecting an exciting meeting and the Bears to push the Pirates all the way, somewhat inexplicably neither materialised. I have never witnessed a meeting at the Ecco Arena without a pass in 15 heats after the second bend. For whatever reason it was gate and go and invariably the Pirates were sharper in that department. Congrats to the Pirates who seem to manage to do what is necessary when it counts the most. Sure the Bears will be determined to regroup for the KO Cup meetings.

Didn’t watch this one but the meeting the week previous against Oxford was very poor racing too. Cant remember a worthwhile pass and the gates were so uneven.

Well done to the Pirates.

[foreverblue]

2 hours ago, Robinh88 said:

Poorest meeting I've seen there. Usually a good standard at Redcar.

Danny Ford said and I agree, Redcar is the best track in the championship. This time of year can cause havoc with track prep, maybe next meeting will be better.

[tyler42]

5 hours ago, IainB said:

But they were watering the track shortly before the start of the meeting 🤷‍♂️

But is that not what all tracks do before the start of a meeting. I would not say that was doctoring would you?

[gmarsbar2]

4 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

I think its more likely because it just not a very good speedway track nowadays. Used to be very good but that was some time ago (20 years plus).

20 years ago they were only building the Redcar track, it opened in 2006.

It was very good until about 3 years ago when there was a following out with the track curator. A rider at the time described the replacement as a farmer with a tractor who didn't know what he was doing.

Not saying it's the same guy now but you would think that someone would know given the amount of recent rain the moisture would come out of the base. Maybe they took advise from Phil Morris.

Edited 2 hours ago by gmarsbar2
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