DJC Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 3 minutes ago, mikebv said: Does Kelvin have a clue who some riders are? "I'll be honest, I don't know much about him" is a refrain heard far too often.... One of the key requirements of a commentator is to do research and inform the viewers of some background details about the competitors... His enthusiasm is first rate, but his lack of general speedway knowledge outside of the Premiership doesn't help... That and everyone's been going well on the continent when in fact they're really struggling winds me up no end. It takes 2 minutes to have a read through the Polish results on a Monday morning before a TV meet to throw some colour and insight into things. Unless its Erik Riss and his long track achievements he hasn't a clue what's going on. I've never watched a football match where the commentators don't know anything about a player on the pitch. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 52 minutes ago, PersonalResponsibility said: I thought it was interesting at the SON that Marcelina came across as a lot more natural than Abi often does. Maybe she's just a better presenter, but it is clear she's genuinely a speedway fan. There was one point in an interview with Kurtz that she recalled his league debut at Torun. It was completely minor at the time, but it stuck in my head. Does Abi have a clue who most riders are riding for outside of the meeting she's at? I feel like that depth just adds something. It might be team mates in Poland facing off, a rider's Polish/Swedish track compared to that meeting's track, etc., it would get that whole close-knit family aspect of speedway. Marcelina and the other Polish female presenters all come over well and know there stuff about the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 7 minutes ago, DJC said: That and everyone's been going well on the continent when in fact they're really struggling winds me up no end. It takes 2 minutes to have a read through the Polish results on a Monday morning before a TV meet to throw some colour and insight into things. Unless its Erik Riss and his long track achievements he hasn't a clue what's going on. I've never watched a football match where the commentators don't know anything about a player on the pitch. Although I’m no great fan of Tatum as a commentator and agree that at a good number times he appears to lack knowledge of basic topics relating to riders, it is a tad unfair to compare his performance with football commentators. who besides there own research & prep are provided with up to date media guides by the teams which contain a wealth of information about each player as well as having A "spotter" in the booth with binoculars to identify players and provide crucial information. There are also statisticians in the production truck providing “in ear” information on stats/time gone, remaining - subs warming up etc. That type of support is something Kelv can only dream about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 14 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Marcelina and the other Polish female presenters all come over well and know there stuff about the sport. Well she been to bed with a few of them 😉 Edited 4 hours ago by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 2 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Well she been to bed with a few of them 😉 You got a pair of binoculars looking from the window opposite 🤣 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 25 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Marcelina and the other Polish female presenters all come over well and know there stuff about the sport. It is always clear, when they interview riders in English during a Polish match, that they follow the sport over here, and often discuss, with prior knowledge, how they are doing in the UK... UK Speedway, (off track), has a huge opportunity for growth, from marketing, advertising, and awareness raising, through to operating model credibility... Will they bring in people with the required skill set to deliver the obvious potential the sport has though? Tracks will spend eye watering sums (for a sport with such a small following), on riders each season, and that alone should be used to give the sport some push, as many non Speedway fans would be truly amazed at the salaries of some riders.. With those salaries alone suggesting it isn't "small time".... "Hype up everything" has to be the mantra of the sport to gain traction amongst the millions who live less than 45 mins from a Speedway track..... Any decent marketing company should be rubbing their hands at an opportunity to make UK Speedway successful given the ultra low base attendance across the country... Getting on mainstream TV, for me, is the quickest way to kick that growth in... As that will also mean national newspaper and radio coverage of the sport too... Add in some regular daily/weekly, social media content (even Sunday League Football teams do this, and can get thousands of followers), and the sport can surely only move up given its low starting position...? Edited 3 hours ago by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJC Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 13 minutes ago, 1 valve said: Although I’m no great fan of Tatum as a commentator and agree that at a good number times he appears to lack knowledge of basic topics relating to riders, it is a tad unfair to compare his performance with football commentators. who besides there own research & prep are provided with up to date media guides by the teams which contain a wealth of information about each player as well as having A "spotter" in the booth with binoculars to identify players and provide crucial information. There are also statisticians in the production truck providing “in ear” information on stats/time gone, remaining - subs warming up etc. That type of support is something Kelv can only dream about. But he has Abi and Scott for that kind of stuff and they don't seem to provide it either. Football is probably considered the gold standard in that they have the resource to pull in all kinds of real time data, so whilst perhaps a tad harsh, the basics aren't there for Speedway. There are plenty of armchair stattos that I imagine would gladly give up a few hours on a Sunday evening to prepare such a 'pack/guide' for Kelvin but he appears to not want to take on that role and is happy giving the absolute bare minimum. That is the perception that's given off to me and it doesn't do anything to help the sport's profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 4 hours ago, SJA said: The ad window is 7 minutes per hour at peak times. Speaking to a Commercial Manager of a Premiership club he said the issue is not only the raw numbers but the demographics. Fans are to old, and to poor to appeal to mainstream brands. The comparison he gave was a netball viewer was 28 years younger and earned £22,000 more per annum than a speedway viewer. This would make the sport a hard sell to free to air channels. It always amazes me that British Speedway makes no attempt, seemingly, to try to attract or appeal to a younger and / or more affluent fan base. Baffling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Well she been to bed with a few of them 😉 weird comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 25 minutes ago, therefused said: weird comment Ok I will reword it for you, she has been in a relationship with them, is that better for you? Adrian miedzinski being the last speedway rider but I believe she married someone else now Edited 1 hour ago by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 2 hours ago, Fromafar said: Marcelina and the other Polish female presenters all come over well and know there stuff about the sport. I like the other main two but some of the younger ones especially on 11 sport seem abit out of place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 59 minutes ago Report Share Posted 59 minutes ago According to Sportowefakty, Article taken from the Speedway Star. 4 Journalists have said TNT aren't interested in renewing the contract, Sky Sports unlikely to be interested, Alternatives are Premier Sport who show Swedish Speedway and BSN British Speedway Network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted 52 minutes ago Report Share Posted 52 minutes ago 4 minutes ago, TTT said: According to Sportowefakty, Article taken from the Speedway Star. 4 Journalists have said TNT aren't interested in renewing the contract, Sky Sports unlikely to be interested, Alternatives are Premier Sport who show Swedish Speedway and BSN British Speedway Network. Quite happy to lose the TNT coverage as I wasn't planning to pay £30.99 pcm to watch the speedway and the saturday lunchtime PL football by half price deal ends on 26th october whereuon I will cancel it. Premier Sport would be an interesting option - i used to subscribe to them a few years back wehn they covered Polish (reruns) and Swedish speedway matches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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