TTT Posted 15 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 15 hours ago 16 minutes ago, gjcone44 said: how much do you wanna bet crowds are bigger the better the opposition, which kills your argument. the negativity on here is very justified. It's not justified at all in this case but then again you're a very Anti-British Speedway member of this forum tbh. Put out a poor 1-7 from the start and the glory hunting fans won't turn up at all. Spend the money by putting out a good 1-7 and the glory hunters will bail out as soon as the going gets tough. That's on the fickle fans. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 15 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 15 hours ago Moan about budget 1-7's that lose constantly which leads to an outcry for team changes. Moan when a 1-7 doesn't have an Out an Out No.1 due to a Club balancing the books. Moan when an expensive 1-7 gets put together in regards to the costs involved. Proof is in the pudding that moaners will moan regardless. British Speedway Owners can't win unless they're are signing riders like Bartosz Zmarzlik on £20 per point contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 14 hours ago Report Share Posted 14 hours ago 1 hour ago, gjcone44 said: how much do you wanna bet crowds are bigger the better the opposition, which kills your argument. the negativity on here is very justified. Hence whenver I go to watch United away, given so many more fans are in attendance than usual at those grounds that don't sell out.. Eg The Etihad .. We sing.. "Come to see United. You've only come to see United"... In Speedway terms, upon the likes of BV visiting all the current 2nd tier teams, (if there was one league), the crowd levels for their visit would be significantly higher than normal I would suggest.... The novelty would wear off, and probably quickly, but that initial visit would definitely see a decent amount more in attendance.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted 14 hours ago Report Share Posted 14 hours ago 50 minutes ago, TTT said: Moan about budget 1-7's that lose constantly which leads to an outcry for team changes. Moan when a 1-7 doesn't have an Out an Out No.1 due to a Club balancing the books. Moan when an expensive 1-7 gets put together in regards to the costs involved. Proof is in the pudding that moaners will moan regardless. British Speedway Owners can't win unless they're are signing riders like Bartosz Zmarzlik on £20 per point contracts. they could of done with you on the titanic trying to cheer everyone up as they got on their life boats. 😁 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 13 hours ago Report Share Posted 13 hours ago 2 hours ago, gjcone44 said: how much do you wanna bet crowds are bigger the better the opposition, which kills your argument. the negativity on here is very justified. Agree. Better riders bring better crowds and I’m looking forward to seeing them in UK leagues whilst I can. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted 11 hours ago Report Share Posted 11 hours ago 2 hours ago, ouch said: Agree. Better riders bring better crowds and I’m looking forward to seeing them in UK leagues whilst I can. Local(ish) derby's are just as likely to attract bigger crowds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim G Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 2 hours ago, ouch said: Agree. Better riders bring better crowds and I’m looking forward to seeing them in UK leagues whilst I can. Not always, went to Oxford v Belle Vue last season and the crowd was awful. Next match was against Plymouth and the crowd was much bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 47 minutes ago, Tim G said: Not always, went to Oxford v Belle Vue last season and the crowd was awful. Next match was against Plymouth and the crowd was much bigger. Two meetings in a week and one of them being shown on BSN. I reckon more saw The Aces meeting just not necessarily at the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim G Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 31 minutes ago, ouch said: Two meetings in a week and one of them being shown on BSN. I reckon more saw The Aces meeting just not necessarily at the track. Six days apart which was the norm at Oxford due to the running in both the premiership and championship. I doubt very much the meeting being shown on BSN would have made up the difference in attendance between the two meetings. The so called big names don’t really draw people in anymore, I expect if you asked people in Manchester who Brady Kurtz is nearly everybody wouldn’t have a clue. Belle Vue have two of the best riders in the world but when looking at the empty seats on the tv matches they are hardly drawing the punters in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 7 hours ago, Tim G said: Belle Vue have two of the best riders in the world but when looking at the empty seats on the tv matches they are hardly drawing the punters in. QED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 7 hours ago, Tim G said: Six days apart which was the norm at Oxford due to the running in both the premiership and championship. I doubt very much the meeting being shown on BSN would have made up the difference in attendance between the two meetings. The so called big names don’t really draw people in anymore, I expect if you asked people in Manchester who Brady Kurtz is nearly everybody wouldn’t have a clue. Belle Vue have two of the best riders in the world but when looking at the empty seats on the tv matches they are hardly drawing the punters in. Plenty of empty seats when not on TV, too... "Big Names" are only that to the less than 0.1% of the polulation who follow the sport... They mean nothing to the 99.9+% of the population who don't.... What an opportunity for growth though if you could make admission affordable for more people, allied to a properly joined up national marketing campaign to try and make many, many millions of people aware that they have a Speedway track within a 45 minute drive of their home... Edited 1 hour ago by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted 23 minutes ago Report Share Posted 23 minutes ago 14 hours ago, mikebv said: Hence whenver I go to watch United away, given so many more fans are in attendance than usual at those grounds that don't sell out.. Eg The Etihad .. We sing.. "Come to see United. You've only come to see United"... In Speedway terms, upon the likes of BV visiting all the current 2nd tier teams, (if there was one league), the crowd levels for their visit would be significantly higher than normal I would suggest.... The novelty would wear off, and probably quickly, but that initial visit would definitely see a decent amount more in attendance.. Dont the home fans sing you have only come to see City? It is certainly the case that tickets for matches at more readily available for smaller games so the opposition is a big factor especially when it comes to cup competitions where the tickets are not included in the cost of a season ticket. I would also suggest that my team Poole would generate a bigger crowd than normal if it was one league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 13 minutes ago Report Share Posted 13 minutes ago 1 hour ago, mikebv said: Plenty of empty seats when not on TV, too... "Big Names" are only that to the less than 0.1% of the polulation who follow the sport... They mean nothing to the 99.9+% of the population who don't.... What an opportunity for growth though if you could make admission affordable for more people, allied to a properly joined up national marketing campaign to try and make many, many millions of people aware that they have a Speedway track within a 45 minute drive of their home... I disagree that less than 0.1% of fans who follow the sport are drawn to the big names. We’ve had Ipswich fans stating many times how crowds increased when Jason & Emil came on board. Maybe we could do some kind of test where we run on a Sunday without the big names. If they charged less admission then it can only be a great success - can’t it? We could all do our own national marketing campaign at no cost to the sport. Just ask 50 family, friends, colleagues etc to come along. There’s no better salesperson available than us speedway nuts. A million extra fans, brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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