SPEEDY69 Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 2 hours ago, teijahn said: His lack of competitiveness has drawn a lot of comment in this forum. He's a 19 year old kid, if there's any criticism due its to the clowns who think these youngsters, however brilliant they may be, can make up for the 10+ years more experience and developed reflexes, coordination and racecraft of genuine GP contestants. Hopefully getting beaten half a lap in these events doesn't destroy his confidence and he can continue to develop and capitalize on his enormous natural talent. Michael Lee never suffered riding against experienced guys and there're been plenty of others, it's not about age at all. Parnitski is a gater and that's what he did in GP2, simply needs to learn how to race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 3 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: Agree......but some have been wanting GP2 champ in the series the year following.... well they got one now. I just hope he can cope mentally. From 2007 to 2009, the FIM introduced a rule that gave the reigning World Under-21 Champion a direct, automatic permanent spot in the following year's senior Speedway Grand Prix series. Only two riders ever successfully took advantage of that specific golden ticket before the rule was scrapped: Emil Sayfutdinov: He won the Under-21 World Championship in 2007 (and successfully defended it in 2008). Because of the 2007 win, he was handed an automatic full-time spot for the 2009 senior Speedway Grand Prix series. He exploded onto the senior scene that year, winning his very first GP round at Prague and finishing 3rd in the world overall as a rookie. Darcy Ward: The brilliant Aussie won the Under-21 title in 2009, which technically qualified him for the 2010 Grand Prix. However, because he was still so young, he and his management chose to turn down the full-time spot to focus on his development, opting to take a couple of wild card appearances instead. The FIM quickly realized that throwing a 20- or 21-year-old straight into the brutal, high-pressure world of full-time Grand Prix racing could sometimes do more harm than good to a young rider's career. It was a massive financial, physical and mental jump, and if a rider wasn't truly ready, a tough year in the GPs could completely shatter their confidence. By 2010, they reverted back to the system we have today: making the juniors qualify through the senior GP Challenge or earn it via performance-based wild cards. Parnitskyi has, of course, been given his spot due to DJ Woffy pulling out. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 33 minutes ago, IainB said: From 2007 to 2009, the FIM introduced a rule that gave the reigning World Under-21 Champion a direct, automatic permanent spot in the following year's senior Speedway Grand Prix series. Only two riders ever successfully took advantage of that specific golden ticket before the rule was scrapped: Emil Sayfutdinov: He won the Under-21 World Championship in 2007 (and successfully defended it in 2008). Because of the 2007 win, he was handed an automatic full-time spot for the 2009 senior Speedway Grand Prix series. He exploded onto the senior scene that year, winning his very first GP round at Prague and finishing 3rd in the world overall as a rookie. Darcy Ward: The brilliant Aussie won the Under-21 title in 2009, which technically qualified him for the 2010 Grand Prix. However, because he was still so young, he and his management chose to turn down the full-time spot to focus on his development, opting to take a couple of wild card appearances instead. The FIM quickly realized that throwing a 20- or 21-year-old straight into the brutal, high-pressure world of full-time Grand Prix racing could sometimes do more harm than good to a young rider's career. It was a massive financial, physical and mental jump, and if a rider wasn't truly ready, a tough year in the GPs could completely shatter their confidence. By 2010, they reverted back to the system we have today: making the juniors qualify through the senior GP Challenge or earn it via performance-based wild cards. Parnitskyi has, of course, been given his spot due to DJ Woffy pulling out. Politics and Countries is what matters nowadays not the best riders. Trying to make it multi nation event is the aim but it is difficult regarding the number of countries that have real World Class riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 43 minutes ago, IainB said: earn it via performance-based wild cards. You were doing so well until you said that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 9 minutes ago, salty said: You were doing so well until you said that... I did copy and paste it from our ai overlords, I could remember it had happened in the past, just couldn't remember when and who. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, SPEEDY69 said: Michael Lee never suffered riding against experienced guys and there're been plenty of others, it's not about age at all. Parnitski is a gater and that's what he did in GP2, simply needs to learn how to race. Correct , it’s not about age it’s about Talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago The younger riders who rode last night, and those watching on TV, or in the stands, could truly be traumatised by watching the level of capability of the very best.... They must see a gulf between their level and the level of the top lads... People say that want "new faces" in the GP's, but the bottom line is the older heads, of many GP years standing, are still considerably better, and even, still now, more attacking and aggressive.... Add in Bewley, Lindgren and Kubera to this weekends action and it would have raised it up even more, even higher from the incredible standard it was.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 54 minutes ago, mikebv said: The younger riders who rode last night, and those watching on TV, or in the stands, could truly be traumatised by watching the level of capability of the very best.... They must see a gulf between their level and the level of the top lads... People say that want "new faces" in the GP's, but the bottom line is the older heads, of many GP years standing, are still considerably better, and even, still now, more attacking and aggressive.... Add in Bewley, Lindgren and Kubera to this weekends action and it would have raised it up even more, even higher from the incredible standard it was.... I agree any youngster would have to be special Talent to come in mix it straight away with these seasoned GP guys they don’t take prisoners. That one of the reasons I think Kvech is underrated he is still only 24. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Fromafar said: I agree any youngster would have to be special Talent to come in mix it straight away with these seasoned GP guys they don’t take prisoners. That one of the reasons I think Kvech is underrated he is still only 24. Tom B is a perfect example of the gap between where he is and the top lads are... A decent rider who will have a decent career in the UK, (if you can still have a career in the UK five years from now)... Tom found bikes being fired at him from all angles, full throttle, with not a thought to switch off, nor any split second of doubt from riders when committed to a manoeuvre... Even Dan Bewley struggled for a fair while when he was coming back from injuries and suddenly the levels went skywards from the usual domestic racing, when at the GP's.... Even Dan couldn't give three World Class riders a lead out of bend two, lap one, and expect to consistently get by all three... Probably half way through last season, Dan visually started to mix it more and his results showed the improvement needed, and this year he carried on from where he left off with an obvious more attacking approach.. The lads at the "next level down" certainly have a huge gap to bridge to get to that rarefied level that many have been at now for a good many years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, mikebv said: The younger riders who rode last night, and those watching on TV, or in the stands, could truly be traumatised by watching the level of capability of the very best.... They must see a gulf between their level and the level of the top lads... People say that want "new faces" in the GP's, but the bottom line is the older heads, of many GP years standing, are still considerably better, and even, still now, more attacking and aggressive.... Add in Bewley, Lindgren and Kubera to this weekends action and it would have raised it up even more, even higher from the incredible standard it was.... Hopefully they'll be inspired more than traumatised 👍🏻 I don't think we want new faces for new faces sake, we just want the best faces. Don't forget Bewley and Holder got their spots thanks to the ban of the Russians and they weren't really at the level they're at now (obvs) but grabbed their chance with both hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 27 minutes ago, IainB said: Hopefully they'll be inspired more than traumatised 👍🏻 I don't think we want new faces for new faces sake, we just want the best faces. Don't forget Bewley and Holder got their spots thanks to the ban of the Russians and they weren't really at the level they're at now (obvs) but grabbed their chance with both hands. Bewley and Holder were very talented as it has proved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 51 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Bewley and Holder were very talented as it has proved. Agreed, they weren't GP standard at the time though, Bewley was awarded a GP place ahead of others who finished ahead of him in the previous years GP Challenge... and Holder didn't make that GP Challenge at all, they both rose to the challenge (forgive pun) and they had a few years of experience (internationally) under their belts. DJ Woffy was totally out of his depth first time around in the GP's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chun Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago Good racing across the two meetings but I can’t but help feel two consecutive GPs at the same track isn’t a good for the sport. Maybe it’s a necessity at the moment given the economics. Wroclaw next so that’s 3 home GPs for Kurtz…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 42 minutes ago Report Share Posted 42 minutes ago 52 minutes ago, chun said: Good racing across the two meetings but I can’t but help feel two consecutive GPs at the same track isn’t a good for the sport. Maybe it’s a necessity at the moment given the economics. Wroclaw next so that’s 3 home GPs for Kurtz…. Think consecutive nights is not great,perhaps should have 1 early season and 1 late season if having 2.The venue deserves 2 if financially viable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 31 minutes ago Report Share Posted 31 minutes ago (edited) 11 minutes ago, Fromafar said: The venue deserves 2 if financially viable. I don't think it is though without the East Stand, isn't that why they're held back to back? Mind you, weren't Cardiff and Manchester both originally on the calendar for last year? I dread to think what the Manchester ticket prices would have been if it were a stand alone GP. Edited 29 minutes ago by IainB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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