teijahn Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 13 hours ago, r8gdp said: Way out of his depth at this level His lack of competitiveness has drawn a lot of comment in this forum. He's a 19 year old kid, if there's any criticism due its to the clowns who think these youngsters, however brilliant they may be, can make up for the 10+ years more experience and developed reflexes, coordination and racecraft of genuine GP contestants. Hopefully getting beaten half a lap in these events doesn't destroy his confidence and he can continue to develop and capitalize on his enormous natural talent. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 3 minutes ago, teijahn said: His lack of competitiveness has drawn a lot of comment in this forum. He's a 19 year old kid, if there's any criticism due its to the clowns who think these youngsters, however brilliant they may be, can make up for the 10+ years more experience and developed reflexes, coordination and racecraft of genuine GP contestants. Hopefully getting beaten half a lap in these events doesn't destroy his confidence and he can continue to develop and capitalize on his enormous natural talent. 100% agree. Very few riders get a GP chance so young. Those that do generally struggle, for example Artem Laguta, Tai Woffinden. Even 21 year old Jason Crump generally struggled in his debut seasonl But you know what they all did OK in the end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 12 hours ago, Bagpuss said: What a final, brilliant racing once again after those first eight heats. Best track in the world without a shadow of a doubt. There are some on here who cant wait to put the boot into the track, whats happened to the best track in the world etc, to save egg on the face maybe they should actually wait and see how the track develops, conditions affect racing, and there has never been a track anywhere in the world that can produce top class racing every meeting. A bad meeting here still trumps the racing elsewhere. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 10 hours ago, Col said: I'm not sure about that.... Bydgoszcz at it's finest may still be my favourite, it is such a shame that there is huge gap between the track & terracing on the bends. Toruń & Wroclaw are great tracks & have stadiums that compare. Despite being a bit feral I enjoy the racing at Grudziądz & Częstochowa. Landshut was good after 40 mins of doctoring earlier this year. If they ever host a Worldish event at Västervik again I'll go. I think I enjoyed the final 8 heats and GCQ & final more than Friday, but the first 4 heats tonight especially were a bit poor. Strange how one track can produce such different racing depending on how it is prepared. Which one would Bewley have preferred is an interesting question. Zmarzllk is a joy to watch, but he'll have more World Titles than anyone else one day surely, so I just don't want him to win. But I'll take him (and almost anyone) over Jack Holder. You have take your hat off to Zmarzlik, in the final he realised he getting near Kurtz on the outside, so switched back to the inside where MJJ was. Zmarzlik didn't plough into the back off MJJ as Woryna did with Madsen the previous night. He backed off safely, allowing Holder to pass him but found the speed to pass Holder within the next lap. Last time i went to Bydgoszcz it was a poor meeting, just underlines every track has meetings where the racing isnt up to the usual standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Odds On Posted June 7 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 7 from someone who has been to most British GP's...from Wembley, Cardiif, Belle Vue etc....none of them come close to what we are being served up right now, none of them. Instead of people trying to find faults with the last two nights of racing, try and draw on the positives. I for one loved both nights, admittedly I only went to the last night meeting but the atmosphere was very good, the racing was good and dare i say the whole event was run well. Only thing missing was a British rider on the rostrum but the racing made up for that. Cannot wait for next years two rounds at Belle Vue. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 2 hours ago, mikebv said: I presumed it must be an instruction given all did it... As the last rider exited the track, the next four came out almost immediately.... 2 hours ago, mikebv said: I presumed it must be an instruction given all did it... As the last rider exited the track, the next four came out almost immediately.... Probably due to weather forecast of rain shorty(which didn’t materialise) spoiled the end of Fri meeting. they can’t win really regarding weather. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 Thought Kelvin’s commentary on that great final was lacklustre, listen to this Polish commentary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 A slow start but brilliant racing again once it got going, ending with a superb final. The last two nights have shown how great this sport can be. If only that could be replicated every week across the country. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 21 minutes ago, Rob B said: Thought Kelvin’s commentary on that great final was lacklustre, listen to this Polish commentary. I can speak a fair bit of Polish so can translate some of it .. They said that... "Brady Kurtz was hard charging".. And that he was "coming on strong".... And also, at the end, said "this is Speedway out of the top drawer"... "SPEEDWAYYYYY!!!!!" 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 7 minutes ago, The Cheese said: A slow start but brilliant racing again once it got going, ending with a superb final. The last two nights have shown how great this sport can be. If only that could be replicated every week across the country. The GP's serve up, easily, some of the best racing I have ever watched... A ridiculous level of ability shown these days by the top riders... Reactions are hair trigger and made whilst doing over 80mph, with other riders within a few yards doing exactly the same... Last night MJJ, 100% was considering a dive bomb, block pass on Zmarzlik into turns one and two when Kurtz came underneath the pair of them like an express train... Amazing racing from all three involved... Zmarzlik almost hit MJJ's back wheel, went straight, locked up, went to last, and still passed Holder within a lap!!! An incredible race, on an incredible track which serves up passing opportunities from front to back in almost every race... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 IMO the track is one of the best in the world ,over two nights it provided excellent racing and last nights final was "out of the top drawer" (even though I am a BZ fan ) Kurtz was a worthy winner . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 3 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: Agree......but some have been wanting GP2 champ in the series the year following.... well they got one now. I just hope he can cope mentally. Tom Brennan must be feeling it too, but he's more mature as a person and will see how much work he has to do to be a regular at that level 3 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: Agree......but some have been wanting GP2 champ in the series the year following.... well they got one now. I just hope he can cope mentally. Tom Brennan must be feeling it too, but he's more mature as a person and will see how much work he has to do to be a regular at that level When you think Tom is the best we have got at 24 it puts into perspective the shortage of young GB triders who could compete at GP level.Think we are really relying on Cairns,Rushen and Harrison to come through in the future but they are still young and along way behind the level .Meanwhile the Danes and Poles have a handful just of the pace. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 2 hours ago, teijahn said: His lack of competitiveness has drawn a lot of comment in this forum. He's a 19 year old kid, if there's any criticism due its to the clowns who think these youngsters, however brilliant they may be, can make up for the 10+ years more experience and developed reflexes, coordination and racecraft of genuine GP contestants. Hopefully getting beaten half a lap in these events doesn't destroy his confidence and he can continue to develop and capitalize on his enormous natural talent. Michael Lee never suffered riding against experienced guys and there're been plenty of others, it's not about age at all. Parnitski is a gater and that's what he did in GP2, simply needs to learn how to race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 3 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: Agree......but some have been wanting GP2 champ in the series the year following.... well they got one now. I just hope he can cope mentally. From 2007 to 2009, the FIM introduced a rule that gave the reigning World Under-21 Champion a direct, automatic permanent spot in the following year's senior Speedway Grand Prix series. Only two riders ever successfully took advantage of that specific golden ticket before the rule was scrapped: Emil Sayfutdinov: He won the Under-21 World Championship in 2007 (and successfully defended it in 2008). Because of the 2007 win, he was handed an automatic full-time spot for the 2009 senior Speedway Grand Prix series. He exploded onto the senior scene that year, winning his very first GP round at Prague and finishing 3rd in the world overall as a rookie. Darcy Ward: The brilliant Aussie won the Under-21 title in 2009, which technically qualified him for the 2010 Grand Prix. However, because he was still so young, he and his management chose to turn down the full-time spot to focus on his development, opting to take a couple of wild card appearances instead. The FIM quickly realized that throwing a 20- or 21-year-old straight into the brutal, high-pressure world of full-time Grand Prix racing could sometimes do more harm than good to a young rider's career. It was a massive financial, physical and mental jump, and if a rider wasn't truly ready, a tough year in the GPs could completely shatter their confidence. By 2010, they reverted back to the system we have today: making the juniors qualify through the senior GP Challenge or earn it via performance-based wild cards. Parnitskyi has, of course, been given his spot due to DJ Woffy pulling out. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 33 minutes ago, IainB said: From 2007 to 2009, the FIM introduced a rule that gave the reigning World Under-21 Champion a direct, automatic permanent spot in the following year's senior Speedway Grand Prix series. Only two riders ever successfully took advantage of that specific golden ticket before the rule was scrapped: Emil Sayfutdinov: He won the Under-21 World Championship in 2007 (and successfully defended it in 2008). Because of the 2007 win, he was handed an automatic full-time spot for the 2009 senior Speedway Grand Prix series. He exploded onto the senior scene that year, winning his very first GP round at Prague and finishing 3rd in the world overall as a rookie. Darcy Ward: The brilliant Aussie won the Under-21 title in 2009, which technically qualified him for the 2010 Grand Prix. However, because he was still so young, he and his management chose to turn down the full-time spot to focus on his development, opting to take a couple of wild card appearances instead. The FIM quickly realized that throwing a 20- or 21-year-old straight into the brutal, high-pressure world of full-time Grand Prix racing could sometimes do more harm than good to a young rider's career. It was a massive financial, physical and mental jump, and if a rider wasn't truly ready, a tough year in the GPs could completely shatter their confidence. By 2010, they reverted back to the system we have today: making the juniors qualify through the senior GP Challenge or earn it via performance-based wild cards. Parnitskyi has, of course, been given his spot due to DJ Woffy pulling out. Politics and Countries is what matters nowadays not the best riders. Trying to make it multi nation event is the aim but it is difficult regarding the number of countries that have real World Class riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 43 minutes ago, IainB said: earn it via performance-based wild cards. You were doing so well until you said that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 9 minutes ago, salty said: You were doing so well until you said that... I did copy and paste it from our ai overlords, I could remember it had happened in the past, just couldn't remember when and who. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 1 hour ago, SPEEDY69 said: Michael Lee never suffered riding against experienced guys and there're been plenty of others, it's not about age at all. Parnitski is a gater and that's what he did in GP2, simply needs to learn how to race. Correct , it’s not about age it’s about Talent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 The younger riders who rode last night, and those watching on TV, or in the stands, could truly be traumatised by watching the level of capability of the very best.... They must see a gulf between their level and the level of the top lads... People say that want "new faces" in the GP's, but the bottom line is the older heads, of many GP years standing, are still considerably better, and even, still now, more attacking and aggressive.... Add in Bewley, Lindgren and Kubera to this weekends action and it would have raised it up even more, even higher from the incredible standard it was.... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 54 minutes ago, mikebv said: The younger riders who rode last night, and those watching on TV, or in the stands, could truly be traumatised by watching the level of capability of the very best.... They must see a gulf between their level and the level of the top lads... People say that want "new faces" in the GP's, but the bottom line is the older heads, of many GP years standing, are still considerably better, and even, still now, more attacking and aggressive.... Add in Bewley, Lindgren and Kubera to this weekends action and it would have raised it up even more, even higher from the incredible standard it was.... I agree any youngster would have to be special Talent to come in mix it straight away with these seasoned GP guys they don’t take prisoners. That one of the reasons I think Kvech is underrated he is still only 24. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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