Aces v Witches 20th April 7:30

[Rob B]

Both teams having tactical doesn’t happen that often 

[TheWellBehavedWorrall]

Heat thirteen, wow.

Bewley is a joy to watch.

[Rob B]

Bewley riding Zach Cook’s bike and makes his best gate of the night 

[chun]

Witches would have won if it wasn’t for Kurtz and Bewley 

[Aries]

38 minutes ago, Baldyman said:

Nope,,, not today so far 

Bit crap isn’t he.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

Witches can be very proud of that effort

[Roger Jacobs]

1 minute ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

Witches can be very proud of that effort

Decent performance - even so, I'm sure they would have preferred a couple more points.  Sometimes it seems to take the Aces a while to get dialled-in to their own track, but once they do it's a different story.

[Baldyman]

Done better than I thought  as they got off to a good start, and kept it close until 13 and 15,,. It's been us doing that for a few years, but now the tables have turned. Question marks over Bangs so far, as that was expected to be his best track 

[TB1]

10 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

Witches can be very proud of that effort

Agreed, an excellent performance and in with a shout for the bonus point. I feel with the league weaker in general, the outcome is not as cut and dried as some would believe.

[TTT]

If Mayfield drop Hellstrom-Bangs for Jonas Jeppesen then Ipswich will become serious contenders for the PREM title imo.

Hate to be harsh but tonight told me everything I need to know about how Hellstrom-Bangs is going to cope on British tracks, If he can't score well from reserve around the NSS then he won't do much anywhere imo.

[PhilTheAce]

Good win and shown why belle vue will win at a canter this season. Very poor performance yet still ran out easy winners. 

 

Poor crowd yes but same last year. First 5 matches took a big hit because of the GP then soon as that finished the crowds improved massively. Expect same to happen again. 

 

Belle vue really need to get them expensive GP tickets on sale much sooner than a few weeks before the season. 

 

Wouldn't worry about bangs. Not easy settling into the uk. The tyres are not fit for purpose and it can take a rider a full season to learn how the tyre reacts etc. 

 

 

[marko]

Bit harsh complaining about the size of the crowd imo, its a big stadium so always going to look less than other tracks, also i dont buy the "but its Manchester" the place like Birmingham is full of demographics (thats me being politically correct) that dont even know what speedway is yet alone have any interest in it and never will have even if every bus in the city carried huge advertisements for it.

Anyways, the match itself was classic Belle Vue with some great racing, much as i expected Lawson and Nicholls were hardly at the races, Brannan, King, Tobi and to a lesser extent Jason all played a part in keep the score a lot closer than many including myself predicted.

[TB1]

34 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said:

Good win and shown why belle vue will win at a canter this season. Very poor performance yet still ran out easy winners. 

 

Poor crowd yes but same last year. First 5 matches took a big hit because of the GP then soon as that finished the crowds improved massively. Expect same to happen again. 

 

Belle vue really need to get them expensive GP tickets on sale much sooner than a few weeks before the season. 

 

Wouldn't worry about bangs. Not easy settling into the uk. The tyres are not fit for purpose and it can take a rider a full season to learn how the tyre reacts etc. 

 

 

Is this the mitas tyre you are talking about? and what's the issue too soft or too firm. Sorry just asking a lay persons question.

 

[Col]

The track was far too grippy in the first four heats, they graded & watered it again after the riders did there track walk.  Plus Aces had gates 1&3 3 times in first four heats, gate two was offering nitro boost starts during that period.
Bewley wasn't gating again but his battles with Brennan in heats 13 & 15 were sensational, best I have ever seen Tom ride.
King was good for Witches.  Edwards did well as Musielsk chipped in.  Nicholls, Hellström Bängs and to a slightly lesser extent Lawson were dreadful.
Cook was good value after his tapes exclusion, Kildemand can certainly generate some speed around the boards but it doesn't seem to get him anywhere!  Good to watch though. Cairns had one good ride when he split the Witches in heat 8, was actually leading for half a lap but was riding to low and King was fast.  More to come from Blödorn hopefully, first meeting back from injury.   Zischke won heat 2 but that was about it.

[Col]

2 hours ago, Badge said:

My favourite (not) in heat 7🙄, shouldn't be allowed for home teams 😠

I don't know why they bothered doing that TS, Aces could have used Bewley as a TS with Kurtz the heat before.  Zischke would have beaten Lawson & Nicholls.  My only thought is that they thought Blödorn needed 4 laps to get dialled in.

2 hours ago, chun said:

Witches would have won if it wasn’t for Kurtz and Bewley 

And isn't that why Belle Vue signed the 'Ninjas'.

2 hours ago, Baldyman said:

Question marks over Bangs so far, as that was expected to be his best track 

He saw it once in 2021 FFS. SoN when he was reserve and the other two Swedes got injured.

[Aries]

6 hours ago, Col said:

He saw it once in 2021 FFS. SoN when he was reserve and the other two Swedes got injured.

Pretty sure he’s on about the type of track suiting his alleged riding style, not his actual record on it!

[Roger Jacobs]

7 hours ago, TB1 said:

Is this the mitas tyre you are talking about? and what's the issue too soft or too firm. Sorry just asking a lay persons question.

 

https://ipswichwitches.co/witches-partner-with-anlas/

[Roger Jacobs]

8 hours ago, PhilTheAce said:

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Poor crowd yes but same last year. First 5 matches took a big hit because of the GP then soon as that finished the crowds improved massively. Expect same to happen again. 

Belle vue really need to get them expensive GP tickets on sale much sooner than a few weeks before the season. 

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That makes no sense. There are far more people at the GPS because they come from across British speedway, and Poland, etc.

It's the same story at most tracks - Ipswich had very high attendances for the Cup final and play-off meetings, but a big number of those people aren't attracted as regulars for league racing (although the Witches seem to have a stronger core of regular fans, compared to others).

The question for Belle Vue is: the track produces very good racing, yet those who come for the Finals aren't bothered about that same level of on-track entertainment for the humdrum of infrequent league racing ... 

Edited 10 hours ago by Roger Jacobs

[PhilTheAce]

32 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said:

That makes no sense. There are far more people at the GPS because they come from across British speedway, and Poland, etc.

It's the same story at most tracks - Ipswich had very high attendances for the Cup final and play-off meetings, but a big number of those people aren't attracted as regulars for league racing (although the Witches seem to have a stronger core of regular fans, compared to others).

The question for Belle Vue is: the track produces very good racing, yet those who come for the Finals aren't bothered about that same level of on-track entertainment for the humdrum of infrequent league racing ... 

expect a good 50% of them attending the GP will be local aces fans, 

 

for example in March i paid out for GP Tickets, belle vue season ticket and BSN, approx £600 for me, but im lucky i can afford it 

Many have to pick and choose there meetings now after spending £100 plus pounds on the GP, them tickets are equivalent of 5 race days and will sacrifice the 5 matches for the GP, it happened last year.

 

we had good crowd against sheffield and leicester but that was down to one being a rival and the other being bank holiday.

 

most clubs will also take a big hit when BSN are in town this year,

 

Belle Vue themselves play a part in this though, there is no where near enough effort put in to selling the sport to new people, no advertisement, no banners anywhere, we dont even have anything in the local paper about us

Edited 9 hours ago by PhilTheAce

[PhilTheAce]

8 hours ago, TB1 said:

Is this the mitas tyre you are talking about? and what's the issue too soft or too firm. Sorry just asking a lay persons question.

 

anlas in the uk, they are rubbish apparently but a certain chairman profits off them so riders are forced to use them, 

 

not just tyres area problem for new riders coming over but its the type of shale we use over here also, so much different to abroad, all little things like that add up, got to give bangs a few months at least, let him see all the tracks frst and then judge him on his 2nd visits