PersonalResponsibility Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 3 minutes ago, IainB said: I've added to that post above... but that's my point, he couldn't have engineered it... could he? Or could he? How would he know, it's just down to luck... and if it goes down to a point again, it's that anyway to settle a World Championship? Be interesting to know what happened last year with Kurtz and Zmarzlik š¤ I'm not sure he could, the aim is just to score as many points as possible in the heats to give yourself the best chance. It's not as if there is any advantage to choosing to finish 2nd (as opposed to winning) in the LCQ either, if he had scored the most points, as he'd miss out on the final. Mind, don't take any of this as gospel, my days of keeping track of speedway rules are mostly in the past! Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 (edited) 7 minutes ago, PersonalResponsibility said: I'm not sure he could, the aim is just to score as many points as possible in the heats to give yourself the best chance. It's not as if there is any advantage to choosing to finish 2nd (as opposed to winning) in the LCQ either, if he had scored the most points, as he'd miss out on the final. Mind, don't take any of this as gospel, my days of keeping track of speedway rules are mostly in the past! Ā I'll grant you, you do need a degree in rocket science to understand this 5h1t... but really it's better to be appearing in LCQ1 than it is LCQ2 no matter what you've scored in the hearts because you just get a chance to score an extra point more for finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th than you would finishing in the same race position in LCQ2. Edited May 23 by IainB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 Funny reading the comments after the meeting. The track was watered every single time after 4 heats. And the tractors came out every single time too. There wasnāt one break where nothing was done. Phil prepped the track the same as the qualifying and remember seeing how much grip was on the outside and thinking if this is the same tonight we are on for a good meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactical Joker Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 Well Prague is the place to be this weekend. Superb weather, beer and racing. Great view at the start of the first bend, even got hit by shale three times. Just need a shower now to wash the dust off, but thoroughly enjoyed that meeting. Well done Leon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: Tomas Topinka does the track normally doesn't he? Morris was overseeing it, saw him earlier on, along with Tony Olsson. Credit to him as well as he went and thanked everyone on the centre green personally, marshalls, 1st aiders etc.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 It was a great GP, good close racing, easy travelling, easy entry and great view. Only downside were the beer queues and they're was no merchandise on sale apart from Czech Speedway and Dudek had a stall.Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersonalResponsibility Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 44 minutes ago, IainB said: I'll grant you, you do need a degree in rocket science to understand this 5h1t... but really it's better to be appearing in LCQ1 than it is LCQ2 no matter what you've scored in the hearts because you just get a chance to score an extra point more for finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th than you would finishing in the same race position in LCQ2. You don't get a chance to score an extra point, you get the extra point if you've scored higher than the same finisher in the other LCQ scored in the heats. LCQ1 - 3rd, 6th, 8th, 9th LCQ2 - 4th, 5th, 7th, 10th. I see the argument that if you've finished 3rd on points, and are in LCQ 1, then you'll get more points for finishing 2nd than whoever finishes 2nd in LCQ 2 does. That's just the advantage of scoring the 3rd highest points score though.Ā If the 5th placed rider from LCQ2 finished in the same position as the 6th placed rider did in LCQ 1, they'd get more points because of their score in the heats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 (edited) 31 minutes ago, PersonalResponsibility said: You don't get a chance to score an extra point, you get the extra point if you've scored higher than the same finisher in the other LCQ scored in the heats. LCQ1 - 3rd, 6th, 8th, 9th LCQ2 - 4th, 5th, 7th, 10th. I see the argument that if you've finished 3rd on points, and are in LCQ 1, then you'll get more points for finishing 2nd than whoever finishes 2nd in LCQ 2 does. That's just the advantage of scoring the 3rd highest points score though.Ā If the 5th placed rider from LCQ2 finished in the same position as the 6th placed rider did in LCQ 1, they'd get more points because of their score in the heats. So you're better to finishĀ 3rd, 6th, 8th or 9th in the heats thanĀ 4th, 5th, 7th or 10th because that'll put you in LCQ1 where the points for finishing 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th in that race is 1 point more than it is in LCQ2. Finish 4th in the heats and you're in LCQ2 finish 9th and you're in LCQ1... finish 2nd in either and 4th highest race points scorer gets 11 points and 9th highest gets 12 š¤·āāļø But then you could finish 10th in the heats and win the bloody thing... I'm sorry it's just wrong in my book.Ā I think I'd just prefer it if the same points were awarded for finishing 2nd, 3rd & 4th in the LCQ's. Ideally they'd be racing each other for the points but that doesn't seem to be the way these days.Ā Good GP tonight though for what it was šš» Edited May 23 by IainB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 27 minutes ago, IainB said: So you're better to finishĀ 3rd, 6th, 8th or 9th in the heats thanĀ 4th, 5th, 7th or 10th because that'll put you in LCQ1 where the points for finishing 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th in that race is 1 point more than it is in LCQ2. Ā You're better finishing 3rd than 4th; 5th than 6th; 7th than 8th and 9th than 10th. It's not that difficult to understand. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 (edited) 13 minutes ago, norbold said: You're better finishing 3rd than 4th; 5th than 6th; 7th than 8th and 9th than 10th. It's not that difficult to understand. It's not difficult to understand at all... but it's not better to finish 4th than 6th,Ā 8th or 9th in the qualifiers as this puts you in LCQ2 with less points on offer. Your destiny is in your own hands finishing 1st to 4th in the overall meeting, whereas 5th to 10th seems to be a bit of a lottery. Edited May 23 by IainB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drosser Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 3 hours ago, ShanoXtra said: Funny reading the comments after the meeting. The track was watered every single time after 4 heats. And the tractors came out every single time too. There wasnāt one break where nothing was done. Phil prepped the track the same as the qualifying and remember seeing how much grip was on the outside and thinking if this is the same tonight we are on for a good meeting. How long has it taken for him to realise that every race does not have to be run in monsoon conditions!! Generally he floods the track to almost the point of meeting abandonment every 4 heats - why? Does he think that the massive extra risks of wet track racing are what the spectators or riders want? Tonight was well over watered for the start (same water an hour or two hour earlier would have been better. However, the moderate watering every 4 races allowed the track to form racing lines. Okay, the racing line got a bit close to the fence at one point but, for 30 degree heatwave conditions. it was always going to be challenging. Let's hope that Morris has learned something from tonight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drosser Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 4 hours ago, IainB said: Buster taught him everything he knows š Shame he did not teach Morris also! Might have provided the basis of a good GP year. I'm going to the Belle Vue GPs and worry more about the damage Morris can do than the high risk Manchester weather conditions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 Last night was possibly one of the most hostile sections of crowds towards a SGP winner. Madsen really has frustrated and angered a lot of people in Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 24 Author Report Share Posted May 24 8 hours ago, IainB said: So you're better to finishĀ 3rd, 6th, 8th or 9th in the heats thanĀ 4th, 5th, 7th or 10th because that'll put you in LCQ1 where the points for finishing 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th in that race is 1 point more than it is in LCQ2. Finish 4th in the heats and you're in LCQ2 finish 9th and you're in LCQ1... finish 2nd in either and 4th highest race points scorer gets 11 points and 9th highest gets 12 š¤·āāļø But then you could finish 10th in the heats and win the bloody thing... I'm sorry it's just wrong in my book.Ā I think I'd just prefer it if the same points were awarded for finishing 2nd, 3rd & 4th in the LCQ's. Ideally they'd be racing each other for the points but that doesn't seem to be the way these days.Ā Good GP tonight though for what it was šš» Really itās not difficult to understand - there are not more points in LCQ 1 than LCQ 2. Various people have explained that finishing positions after 20 heats determine everything for LCQ 1 and 2 and final. both semiās are in theory equal as the 8 riders appearing positions add up to 26 in each. i have said for a long time that this format does mean every race counts. both 4ths in the LCQās get 8 and 7 GP points. The points awarded do depend on both riders finishing the race. That was why even finishing 8th Fricke finished lower than Doyle ( 10th ) both 3rdās get 10 and 9 - Kubera(5th) got 10 Lebedevs(9th) got 9 both 2ndās get 12 and 11- Holder (3rd) got 12 and Woryna( 7th) got 11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 43 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Really itās not difficult to understand - there are not more points in LCQ 1 than LCQ 2. Various people have explained that finishing positions after 20 heats determine everything for LCQ 1 and 2 and final. both semiās are in theory equal as the 8 riders appearing positions add up to 26 in each. i have said for a long time that this format does mean every race counts. both 4ths in the LCQās get 8 and 7 GP points. The points awarded do depend on both riders finishing the race. That was why even finishing 8th Fricke finished lower than Doyle ( 10th ) both 3rdās get 10 and 9 - Kubera(5th) got 10 Lebedevs(9th) got 9 both 2ndās get 12 and 11- Holder (3rd) got 12 and Woryna( 7th) got 11 Hang on a minute... am I misunderstanding this? If I finish with 5 heat points and qualify for LCQ1 and you finish with 11 points and qualify for LCQ2 and we both finish 2nd in our respective LCQ's you get 1 more point on the basis that you outscored me in the heat qualifiers?Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 24 Author Report Share Posted May 24 (edited) 6 minutes ago, IainB said: Hang on a minute... am I misunderstanding this? If I finish with 5 heat points and qualify for LCQ1 and you finish with 11 points and qualify for LCQ2 and we both finish 2nd in our respective LCQ's you get 1 more point on the basis that you outscored me in the heat qualifiers?Ā Yes got it in 1. i score 12 GP points and you score 11- fair reward for me outscoring you over 20 heats ! itās not often anyone qualifies for the LCQās only scoring 5 !!! Edited May 24 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 1 minute ago, racers and royals said: Yes got it in 1. i score 12 GP points and you score 11- fair reward for me outscoring you over 20 heats ! itās not ofter anyone qualifies for the LCQās only scoring 5 !!! Well why didn't somebody just say thisĀ š I'm not going to lie... it still makes my head hurt especially when it comes to the final GP when it's all settled. I probably need to lay off the alcohol when I'm watching it I obviously need all my wits about me and my full attention! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 24 Author Report Share Posted May 24 1 minute ago, IainB said: Well why didn't somebody just say thisĀ š I'm not going to lie... it still makes my head hurt especially when it comes to the final GP when it's all settled. I probably need to lay off the alcohol when I'm watching it I obviously need all my wits about me and my full attention! Well it does help that finally the GP graphics are spot on, which if you freeze the screen after 20 heats it is so simple to note. who are the top 2 who go to the final who finishes 3rd,6th,8th and 9th for LCQ 1 who finishes 4th, 5th, 7th and 10th into LCQ 2 I put the finishing position against the riders name ( after the gate draw) so i can easily see who gets the extra point for 2nd, 3rd and 4th. After all i am a professional LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 56 minutes ago, IainB said: Hang on a minute... am I misunderstanding this? If I finish with 5 heat points and qualify for LCQ1 and you finish with 11 points and qualify for LCQ2 and we both finish 2nd in our respective LCQ's you get 1 more point on the basis that you outscored me in the heat qualifiers?Ā Ā Hooray! Well done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 24 Report Share Posted May 24 5 minutes ago, norbold said: Ā Hooray! Well done. Come on, I'm going to have to take my medicine this morning... just don't got OTTĀ š š 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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