SuperStarsFan91 Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 21 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: But he is going to look, he made an error off the bend so checked everyone else's position, it's normal with every rider who makes an error. Absolutely normal to do. At the point of Rushen looking back, Harrison was far enough behind to see Rushen's corrective manoeuvres. For me, the incident only arises because Harrison isn’t aware of his surroundings. Rushen doesn't & never did turn left down the straight. The only decision the referee had on offer was excluding Harrison. Couldn’t agree more again 👍🏻 Rushen was on that line quite a way before Harrison hit him, the referee’s only option was to exclude Luke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB1 Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 On 5/8/2026 at 7:40 PM, Gavan said: Take your kings Lynn hat off mate I for one am not castigating Cooper … I believe he meant to go a bit left and when he did coupled with the looking behind him he went further over than he thought My youngest daughter now 17 did roller speed skating and was a multi british champion …. One of her very first outdoor races at the age of 6 she was coming down the final straight and looked behind to see her fast finishing rival … the looking made her veer to the left … her skill set at that stage meant she drifted …. She was pulled in front of the officials and given a warning and rightly so although her mum thought the officials harsh I believed they were correct … age is not a factor and should not be taken into account Cooper got this wrong and I don’t believe maliciously …. The fact he is the best youngster we have and is showing outstanding form doesn’t come into it … I’m sure those around him will have had a word and I expect cooper himself will see the reaction (some of which is way over the top) and learn from it Many many ex riders have all said Cooper was at fault ranging from Steachmann, Silver , Stonehewer .. down to the likes of James Brundle…… I’m inclined to go with ex riders opinion rather than a fan who can be biased to his or her club Cooper clearly at fault … not malicious or dirty and hopefully he has took it all on board Maybe a controversial point but for that very reason I have believed for a long time that only ex riders should be in the referees box. Purely and simply as how can a lay person replicate a racing situation if they have not been in it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 On 5/8/2026 at 9:15 AM, IainB said: How very 2026 a rider education programme 😂. I prefer old school, as I said earlier a punch on the nose wouldn't have been out of order! But more seriously, when was the last time a referee excluded somebody for dangerous or dirty riding? It is still a rule but just no used: 012.1.14 Foul, Unfair or Dangerous Riding The Referee shall immediately disqualify any rider who they consider indulges in foul, unfair or dangerous riding. If, in the opinion of the Referee, such conduct produces an advantage to the rider involved or affects the chances of one or more riders, the Referee may stop the heat and order a re-run. In certain circumstances the Referee may disqualify a rider for foul, unfair or dangerous riding from the remainder of the meeting. In this case no replacement facilities are allowed for the remainder of a team meeting. A Referees decision to declare a heat completed, or disqualify a rider from a meeting for foul, unfair or dangerous riding shall be deemed a statement of fact and no protest or appeal is permitted. Leicester 2 minutes on at 19:28, tapes up 19:30 👍 Leicester 8pm, we'll now have a 47 minute break while we watch the Sun set.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 On 5/8/2026 at 11:06 PM, IainB said: I'd have thrown him from the meeting and that's it. Not like you to be ott Iain! 2 points. I don't remember Nicki P excluded from a meeting from his questionable moves in the UK. Secondly, is it in the rules you can exclude someone from the meeting? Age and experience has to be taken into account. If anyone should be excluded from meetings it should be Ace Pjiper for threatening to take 'revenge' out on track on camera as well! Not for the first time either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 53 minutes ago, LisaColette said: Secondly, is it in the rules you can exclude someone from the meeting? "012.1.14 Foul, Unfair or Dangerous Riding In certain circumstances the Referee may disqualify a rider for foul, unfair or dangerous riding from the remainder of the meeting. In this case no replacement facilities are allowed for the remainder of a team meeting." 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, LisaColette said: Not like you to be ott Iain! 2 points. I don't remember Nicki P excluded from a meeting from his questionable moves in the UK. Secondly, is it in the rules you can exclude someone from the meeting? Age and experience has to be taken into account. If anyone should be excluded from meetings it should be Ace Pjiper for threatening to take 'revenge' out on track on camera as well! Not for the first time either. I honestly don't think it would have been over the top, the whole incident doesn't get any better the more you watch it. I think the difference with the likes of Nicki P's antics etc is his moves were more offensive, on the bends where there is air bag protection and I think are more accepted as part and parcel of the sport when they go wrong. Rushen's move was entirely defensive, on the straight and he even looked twice to make sure Harrison wasn't getting past and his reward 7 rides on the night and a bumper pay packet... where's the message to say that's not acceptable and don't do it again. He'd probably have been thrown in Poland for that, we have the rule in the book to do it and to my knowledge has never been used, but then it needs a competent ref to actually make that call. Edited May 10 by IainB 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 Personally don’t think it was an obvious turn left by Rushen he had daylight in front coming out the corner his mistake coming out of the corner made him drift across a little..Best wishes for speedy recovery for injured riders. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Personally don’t think it was an obvious turn left by Rushen he had daylight in front coming out the corner his mistake coming out of the corner made him drift across a little..Best wishes for speedy recovery for injured riders. Exactly. It was pure accident all round. Cooper's line down the straight didn't alter & Harrison was quicker out the corner. For me, Harrison just didn't have the awareness of what was happening in front of him. Everything you expect to see from inexperienced young rider's. This accident is textbook to why many argued the Premiership shouldn't be a place for 'Rising Stars' to learn their trade. Maybe there should be parameters in place for RS spots, as per:- Must have a 6.00+ 20 meeting rolling Championship average & 5.00+ 10 away meeting rolling Championship average. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castrolargh Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 7 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Exactly. It was pure accident all round. Cooper's line down the straight didn't alter & Harrison was quicker out the corner. For me, Harrison just didn't have the awareness of what was happening in front of him. Everything you expect to see from inexperienced young rider's. This accident is textbook to why many argued the Premiership shouldn't be a place for 'Rising Stars' to learn their trade. Maybe there should be parameters in place for RS spots, as per:- Must have a 6.00+ 20 meeting rolling Championship average & 5.00+ 10 away meeting rolling Championship average. If something like this was to be introduced then it would also need a ruling at championship level where every championship team MUST have rising stars at reserve to give british youngsters a chance.They have to start somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 9 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: It was pure accident all round. Cooper's line down the straight didn't alter & Harrison was quicker out the corner. For me, Harrison just didn't have the awareness of what was happening in front of him. the reason Harrison was quicker out of the corner, was because cooper missed the corner, and knew exactly where Harrison was coming from and basically cut him off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 2 hours ago, gjcone44 said: the reason Harrison was quicker out of the corner, was because cooper missed the corner, and knew exactly where Harrison was coming from and basically cut him off. For curiosity, what should Cooper have done, just wave Harrison through??? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chips Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 Thought I'd put something together just to add a touch more context to the incident. Not passing any opinions - just thought it might help add to some conversations regarding it. It shows racing lines and a closeup which shows an apparent "left turn" which some think didn't happen. Edited video 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 38 minutes ago, Dave_minall said: Thought I'd put something together just to add a touch more context to the incident. Not passing any opinions - just thought it might help add to some conversations regarding it. It shows racing lines and a closeup which shows an apparent "left turn" which some think didn't happen. Edited video 🤣 thanks for that, the white line proves he's not turning left regardless of actions of his front wheel. Cooper doesn't deviate from his chosen line which a rider in front has a right to choose. As a following rider it's your responsibility to be more aware of what's happening in front of them. Regardless, as I'd already said, it's a typical racing accident expected from inexperienced rider's. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 56 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: For curiosity, what should Cooper have done, just wave Harrison through??? Answer the question?? @gjcone44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 he did what he did and caused the incident. we have seen this happen in gps, so dont try using the inexperienced excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said: For curiosity, what should Cooper have done, just wave Harrison through??? He shouldn't have turned left, you can see in the excellent video analysis that @Dave_minall posted he literally turns his front wheel to the left at the 14 second mark... you can't show those that don't want to see 🙈 Edited May 11 by IainB 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chips Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 I should have put this in the video in hindsight, but in the closeup you can see Harrison off the throttle with his left foot down trying to slow down as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chun Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 these are young riders on a new track. i think he went to block harrison without appreciating the amount of speed he had scrubbed off would mean that he would likely cut him up. it wasnt as though it he fenced the guy but it was dangerous riding - intended or not 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 2 hours ago, IainB said: He shouldn't have turned left, you can see in the excellent video analysis that @Dave_minall posted he literally turns his front wheel to the left at the 14 second mark... you can't show those that don't want to see 🙈 The white trail line is the biggest evidence you need regardless of the front wheel movement. Rushen doesn't deviate. I'm still waiting for an explanation as to what Cooper should have done?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: The white trail line is the biggest evidence you need regardless of the front wheel movement. Rushen doesn't deviate. I'm still waiting for an explanation as to what Cooper should have done?? I'll say it one final time and then leave it... He shouldn't have turned left. You do realise that although it looks like his front wheel is pointing to the right that they are actually coming towards us so that means he's turning left 😂😂 Edited May 11 by IainB 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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