Roger Jacobs Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 8 hours ago, LisaColette said: That is all very well but the ref didn't even exclude him, so obviously he didn't think he did anything wrong. He is only 16 he is going to make mistakes, as long as he learns from them. Also maybe not have patchy grip when the younger kids are out. Even Ben Cook and Chris Harris were struggling with it a race later. BSN said that the Ref didn't look at the replays. Jan Staechmann said he was astonished by the Ref's decision not to exclude Rushen, because it was clear he had turned left, and Harrison had little to no chance of avoiding him. I appreciate Rushen has got to learn, but in the first meeting at Foxhall I saw him take an odd line on the second bend and he was within the veritable whisker of wiping out Scott Nicholls. Rushen is very talented, no doubt, but needs to reign in the "enthusiasm". Harrison was very impressive when speaking, and his riding so far has been very measured. As for your comment "maybe not have patchy grip when the younger kids are out" - how on earth would you manage that?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 Watching the incident over & over & for me (unpopular opinion clearly) the referee made the right call. Rushen overshooting the corner a little & just tries to get his wheels in line quicker to regain speed to hold position. At no point through the whole move is he moving left down the straight. The view from behind is very very clear on that. For me, Harrison had enough time & room to see what was happening in front of him but failed to adjust to the situation. 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 15 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: BSN said that the Ref didn't look at the replays. Jan Staechmann said he was astonished by the Ref's decision not to exclude Rushen, because it was clear he had turned left, and Harrison had little to no chance of avoiding him. I appreciate Rushen has got to learn, but in the first meeting at Foxhall I saw him take an odd line on the second bend and he was within the veritable whisker of wiping out Scott Nicholls. Rushen is very talented, no doubt, but needs to reign in the "enthusiasm". Harrison was very impressive when speaking, and his riding so far has been very measured. As for your comment "maybe not have patchy grip when the younger kids are out" - how on earth would you manage that?! Whereas they announced over the tannoy whilst the injured riders were being treated and before the exclusion light came on that "the ref was reviewing the video footage" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 1 hour ago, Colinspeedway said: Yes with age should come better decision making. Im sure all of your choices as a 16 year old were spot on? That's a ridiculous comparison. My choice to form a relationship with one girl when I was 16 was proven not be the best but I fail to see how that's related to racing a bike. Equally a 17 year old driver who's just passed their test may choose to drive around a bend on the opposite side of the road - when they kill others would you shrug it off, oh well they made a bad choice....? Every rider knows turning left on the straight, especially when another rider is so close, is a definite no no. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 The other thing people aren’t mentioning is the fact it was inexperienced riders behind Cooper. I’ve seen riders with a few years under their belts almost stop down the straight when needed. I don’t know how they do it but that level of skill doesn’t manifest over night. Having said that, my problem with Coopers move yesterday was the looking beforehand. Riders have made moves being unaware of those behind but this was thought about. Negatives can be the best learning platform and I believe this will be for Cooper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 12 minutes ago, ouch said: The other thing people aren’t mentioning is the fact it was inexperienced riders behind Cooper. I’ve seen riders with a few years under their belts almost stop down the straight when needed. I don’t know how they do it but that level of skill doesn’t manifest over night. Having said that, my problem with Coopers move yesterday was the looking beforehand. Riders have made moves being unaware of those behind but this was thought about. Negatives can be the best learning platform and I believe this will be for Cooper. But he is going to look, he made an error off the bend so checked everyone else's position, it's normal with every rider who makes an error. Absolutely normal to do. At the point of Rushen looking back, Harrison was far enough behind to see Rushen's corrective manoeuvres. For me, the incident only arises because Harrison isn’t aware of his surroundings. Rushen doesn't & never did turn left down the straight. The only decision the referee had on offer was excluding Harrison. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 7 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: But he is going to look, he made an error off the bend so checked everyone else's position, it's normal with every rider who makes an error. Absolutely normal to do. At the point of Rushen looking back, Harrison was far enough behind to see Rushen's corrective manoeuvres. For me, the incident only arises because Harrison isn’t aware of his surroundings. Rushen doesn't & never did turn left down the straight. The only decision the referee had on offer was excluding Harrison. Take your kings Lynn hat off mate I for one am not castigating Cooper … I believe he meant to go a bit left and when he did coupled with the looking behind him he went further over than he thought My youngest daughter now 17 did roller speed skating and was a multi british champion …. One of her very first outdoor races at the age of 6 she was coming down the final straight and looked behind to see her fast finishing rival … the looking made her veer to the left … her skill set at that stage meant she drifted …. She was pulled in front of the officials and given a warning and rightly so although her mum thought the officials harsh I believed they were correct … age is not a factor and should not be taken into account Cooper got this wrong and I don’t believe maliciously …. The fact he is the best youngster we have and is showing outstanding form doesn’t come into it … I’m sure those around him will have had a word and I expect cooper himself will see the reaction (some of which is way over the top) and learn from it Many many ex riders have all said Cooper was at fault ranging from Steachmann, Silver , Stonehewer .. down to the likes of James Brundle…… I’m inclined to go with ex riders opinion rather than a fan who can be biased to his or her club Cooper clearly at fault … not malicious or dirty and hopefully he has took it all on board 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said: But he is going to look, he made an error off the bend so checked everyone else's position, it's normal with every rider who makes an error. Absolutely normal to do. At the point of Rushen looking back, Harrison was far enough behind to see Rushen's corrective manoeuvres. For me, the incident only arises because Harrison isn’t aware of his surroundings. Rushen doesn't & never did turn left down the straight. The only decision the referee had on offer was excluding Harrison. You are joking! As Jan Staechmann pointed out, there aren't any brakes. You can see Harrison trying to pull back/away, but he was accelerating out of the bend taking a natural line, while Rushen (who took one long look, and then a second glance), had moved across from the natural line. I doubt any rider would have expected him to be there. Harrison had no chance - neither did Scott - or do you think he should have navigated his way past?! Edited May 8 by Roger Jacobs 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 8 hours ago, IainB said: One of the riders said they've already managed to add more banking in the last week. Stock cars / Bangers don't run weekly at Northampton. Sometimes they are on consecutive weekends, but usually there are 2 or 3 weeks between meetings. Interestingly, I was watching interviews with F1 stock car drivers last night from the meeting held there last Saturday and they were commenting that there was more material on track than at the previous meeting. One thing that should please everyone is that I am not seeing any complaints on here about the surface being rough last night, despite there being torrential rain mid-meeting on Saturday night. If there were going to be issues I would have expected them to show up after that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinspeedway Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 4 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: That's a ridiculous comparison. My choice to form a relationship with one girl when I was 16 was proven not be the best but I fail to see how that's related to racing a bike. Equally a 17 year old driver who's just passed their test may choose to drive around a bend on the opposite side of the road - when they kill others would you shrug it off, oh well they made a bad choice....? Every rider knows turning left on the straight, especially when another rider is so close, is a definite no no. Ok so what would you see as appropriate punishment then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 14 minutes ago, Colinspeedway said: Ok so what would you see as appropriate punishment then? What for Rushen or any other rider that does it? Exclusion from that race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinspeedway Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 (edited) 1 minute ago, SPEEDY69 said: What for Rushen or any other rider that does it? Exclusion from that race. Is that it? After all your chastising we agree? Edited May 8 by Colinspeedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 Just now, Colinspeedway said: Is that it? What else do you expect? Any infringement in a race which causes a fall is always an exclusion, if Ray Charles isn't refereeing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinspeedway Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 Just now, SPEEDY69 said: What else do you expect? Any infringement in a race which causes a fall is always an exclusion, if Ray Charles isn't refereeing. Ok so we agree then? Ridiculous chastising a youngster the way you have. If it's so bad that he tried to kill someone then you'd want him to be punished? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 20 minutes ago, Colinspeedway said: Ok so we agree then? Ridiculous chastising a youngster the way you have. If it's so bad that he tried to kill someone then you'd want him to be punished? I'd have thrown him from the meeting and that's it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 22 minutes ago, Colinspeedway said: Ok so we agree then? Ridiculous chastising a youngster the way you have. If it's so bad that he tried to kill someone then you'd want him to be punished? Huh? Think you've eaten too many skittles 😁 We definitely don't agree on the oh let's forgive him he's only a boy issue and I never called for any further punishment, you must be mixing me up with another poster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinspeedway Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 12 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: Huh? Think you've eaten too many skittles 😁 We definitely don't agree on the oh let's forgive him he's only a boy issue and I never called for any further punishment, you must be mixing me up with another poster. We agree on he should be excluded. You compared the incident to him to trying to kill someone.. so surely he should be punished? You're deluded 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 15 hours ago, ouch said: The other thing people aren’t mentioning is the fact it was inexperienced riders behind Cooper. I’ve seen riders with a few years under their belts almost stop down the straight when needed. I don’t know how they do it but that level of skill doesn’t manifest over night. Having said that, my problem with Coopers move yesterday was the looking beforehand. Riders have made moves being unaware of those behind but this was thought about. Negatives can be the best learning platform and I believe this will be for Cooper. Is there a possibility that by looking back over his left shoulder, Rushen caused his bike to veer to the left afterwards? Thereby not a deliberate move, but one caused by lack of experience but neverthleless something which should be addressed with him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, Hamish McRaker said: Is there a possibility that by looking back over his left shoulder, Rushen caused his bike to veer to the left afterwards? Thereby not a deliberate move, but one caused by lack of experience but neverthleless something which should be addressed with him? PS have just seen Gavan's post which has previously said this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperStarsFan91 Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 22 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Watching the incident over & over & for me (unpopular opinion clearly) the referee made the right call. Rushen overshooting the corner a little & just tries to get his wheels in line quicker to regain speed to hold position. At no point through the whole move is he moving left down the straight. The view from behind is very very clear on that. For me, Harrison had enough time & room to see what was happening in front of him but failed to adjust to the situation. Agree 100% 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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