Northampton vs Ipswich June 29th

[marko]

It’s not about Belle Vue, and that’s the issue, the league is bigger than just one team, it’s in the interests of all promoters that all teams are competitive enough to at least win home matches and provide some sort of spectacle away. 

That was always the way back in the day, keep the home fans happy and they will keep coming back.

[mikebv]

1 hour ago, Phannan said:

Bet you believe in fairytales. Have you considered that Doyle may have had a say in all this? Maybe he’d only race over here again if it was at Belle Vue. Slating Lemon and Belle Vue is obviously your agenda. 

"If" there is someone in the background looking to run the club next season, as was alluded to pre season, (as long as the club is a viable venture), then I would imagine a "GP rider" would stretch the budget somewhat...

And "If" as was suggested, the crowd was 1000-1100 for their last meeting, then paying out £7k and maybe more, for a GP rider (for a home and away meeting), could leave the venture looking less appealing come the end of the season accounts..

You also have to ask "Who" was going to come over and ride? Who isn't already doing three leagues?...

And, of those only doing two, would they want to potentially ride Mondays and Thursdays over here in a single week? 

And Doyle loves riding at the NSS so maybe could see more scoring potential for him (and thus, more money), than riding a brand new circuit to him.. 

Maybe those saying that Northampton should get a bona fide No1 could suggest one that doesnt "break the bank"....?

[YeOldPitGate]

I seem to remember prior to the current bunch stepping in Flagrag mentioned polish connections so it could be something was afoot similar to what's happening at Ipswich. (Correct me if the old memory is off Flagrag).

Re the old big promise of help we all knew it wouldn't be coming when the crunch came , Doyle is probably the only world class rider who could have been persuaded back this year given based in the UK and he's been loyal to British speedway for years.

They really need someone in the Anders Thompson mould he's never going to be world champ but should be a 9-10 point man in UK league and equally doesn't seem to be a rider who only fancies it 50% of the time.

Its a shame Tolley isn't involved as there does look to be a fan base to build on at Northampton which wasn't the case at Brum and he clearly has the kind of deep pockets needed to get a top liner over who would probably want 5-7k per meeting.

[ouch]

2 hours ago, Phannan said:

Bet you believe in fairytales. Have you considered that Doyle may have had a say in all this? Maybe he’d only race over here again if it was at Belle Vue. Slating Lemon and Belle Vue is obviously your agenda. 

Northampton & Ipswich.

Edited 7 hours ago by ouch

[ouch]

1 hour ago, marko said:

It’s not about Belle Vue, and that’s the issue, the league is bigger than just one team, it’s in the interests of all promoters that all teams are competitive enough to at least win home matches and provide some sort of spectacle away. 

That was always the way back in the day, keep the home fans happy and they will keep coming back.

We don’t like losing riders, nobody does but if it makes our league more competitive, especially those new to our league then we will act accordingly. 

Seeing our lads line up at number one for the opposition is equally gutting and heartwarming and sorry for this, I think it should be replicated by other clubs. Leicester, Northampton, Birmingham/Ipswich & Kings Lynn, we are in this together. 

[Bagpuss]

Belle Vue's track is a massive draw for tempting riders over/ back over.

[Aries]

50 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

Belle Vue's track is a massive draw for tempting riders over/ back over.

Actually it isn’t. From a fans point of view, absolutely. But I’ll tell you now there’s an awful lot of riders that hate going there. Doyle is one of them! Until now of course..

Doyle has admitted he missed racing here and wanted to come back. If Mark Lemon said to Doyle there’s one vacancy here, at Northampton, and he offered him the same deal he has for riding for Belle Vue, then he’d now be riding for Northampton it’s as simple as that. 
 

Can you imagine the impact the former world champion would have had at a new club trying to establish themselves?? It would have been HUGE for them and their gate receipts. But that didn’t happen did it? Why?

You’ve even got supporters now saying they want Northampton to win their home meetings “but not this week” (sorry Phil”) so there’s always going to be self interest across the board from the top to the bottom. 
 

We all want our teams to win of course we do, that’s only natural! But we also need a creditable league so that’s a league worth winning. 
 

Belle Vue are already sure of the play offs, would it really hurt to see Northampton win a home meeting to help with their next home attendance to keep them going rather than see your team extend their lead at the top of a meaningless table?

Im not saying lose it deliberately, we can’t have that nonsense either, but hoping to inflict another home defeat on the bottom club? 
 

Come on we need Northampton to succeed as well as try and entice others to join. If those lower down think the likes of Belle Vue, my own team Ipswich, and Sheffield will just hoover up all the GP riders available then they’ll have no interest in joining if they won’t be competitive. 
 

Bring in a one rider over 8 rule for next year. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Aries

[YeOldPitGate]

38 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

Belle Vue's track is a massive draw for tempting riders over/ back over.

Hopefully when Zagar is back ideally for Batch they will win most home meetings he might be getting on but should still be a 6-7 point man in this league which should get them over the line assuming at least one of Lidsey or Klindt fancy it in the remaining home matches

[Aries]

5 hours ago, Steve Irving said:

The club that although had lost Bewley, still has one of the best riders in the league and the current world number two. Lemon couldn’t give a sh!t about Northampton or the league in general let’s have it right. He’s not content to have just the one GP star at BV, he wants TWO while perfectly happy to leave a newcomer at the foot of the table without one.

As has been said earlier, where is the help that was promised if Northampton were struggling for results? Lemon had the perfect opportunity of talking to every GP rider in Manchester over two days, found one willing to ride over here, then selfishly signed him up for Belle Vue rather than give Northampton the help they desperately need in their maiden season.

Don’t fool for that troll’s crap on here that Belle Vue are the bastions on British Speedway guff who do things for the benefits of others at the expense of his beloved Belle Vue 🤮

If one of the Northampton “directors” or whatever he calls himself, knew of Doyle’s availability, he should have been directing him there. I think now it’s pretty clear to everyone that help was initially there from certain people, to make a top league viable and nothing else. Not, to actually help that new club be competitive. 

[IainB]

45 minutes ago, Aries said:

Actually it isn’t. From a fans point of view, absolutely. But I’ll tell you now there’s an awful lot of riders that hate going there. Doyle is one of them! Until now of course..

Doyle has admitted he missed racing here and wanted to come back. If Mark Lemon said to Doyle there’s one vacancy here, at Northampton, and he offered him the same deal he has for riding for Belle Vue, then he’d now be riding for Northampton it’s as simple as that. 
 

Can you imagine the impact the former world champion would have had at a new club trying to establish themselves?? It would have been HUGE for them and their gate receipts. But that didn’t happen did it? Why?

You’ve even got supporters now saying they want Northampton to win their home meetings “but not this week” (sorry Phil”) so there’s always going to be self interest across the board from the top to the bottom. 
 

We all want our teams to win of course we do, that’s only natural! But we also need a creditable league so that’s a league worth winning. 
 

Belle Vue are already sure of the play offs, would it really hurt to see Northampton win a home meeting to help with their next home attendance to keep them going rather than see your team extend their lead at the top of a meaningless table?

Im not saying lose it deliberately, we can’t have that nonsense either, but hoping to inflict another home defeat on the bottom club? 
 

Come on we need Northampton to succeed as well as try and entice others to join. If those lower down think the likes of Belle Vue, my own team Ipswich, and Sheffield will just hoover up all the GP riders available then they’ll have no interest in joining if they won’t be competitive. 
 

Bring in a one rider over 8 rule for next year. 

Leicester did the right thing, for the good of speedway of course, and handed the Foxes their only win of the season... the rest of you should hang your heads in shame 😁

[IainB]

41 minutes ago, Aries said:

If one of the Northampton “directors” or whatever he calls himself, knew of Doyle’s availability, he should have been directing him there. I think now it’s pretty clear to everyone that help was initially there from certain people, to make a top league viable and nothing else. Not, to actually help that new club be competitive. 

Well, Lemo is the sole shareholder but as Belle Vue CEO he beat, erm,  himself to Doyley's signature 🤔

Edited 5 hours ago by IainB

[ouch]

It’s tiresome but very cartel like that as soon as a club gets four wins over Northampton, seeing themselves nicely into the KO cup final and very well placed for the playoffs that they want OTHER clubs to help out Northampton for wins. Do as I say not as I do. Self interest at its best. It’s just the same with helping other teams be competitive as the only time this becomes a talking point is when they think they can have a pop at Belle Vue, the club that has done and does do more than any other. It’s pure defection for their lack or participation in making our league more competitive. Two riders over 8 is fine whilst your club have such a luxury but as soon as it’s gone then stop all teams. Self interest and yo yo ethics once again, ethics that is and has slowly killed this fine sport of ours. Predictably but sad.

Anyway, I hope Matej returns soon, it’ll be Ace.

Edited 4 hours ago by ouch

[89buttons]

4 hours ago, ouch said:

Northampton & Ipswich.

Hurry said Doyle approached him at the Manchester Grand Prix about coming to Ipswich but it was non starter because we’d have had to drop 3 riders to fit him back into our side which he wasn’t prepared to do

[Aries]

47 minutes ago, 89buttons said:

Hurry said Doyle approached him at the Manchester Grand Prix about coming to Ipswich but it was non starter because we’d have had to drop 3 riders to fit him back into our side which he wasn’t prepared to do

We know who his first choice is, don’t waste your breath.