Ipswich Witches 2027

[Aries]

 

 

[SteveLyric2]

So a new owner/promoter comes along with his speedway fingers in several pies, spends some money, in fluences the British gp venue and puts forward some of his ideas for the future of British league speedway including no 'self governance'!! So he doesn't want to become the voice of the BSPL then?! 'Micro or macro'?

[ouch]

No self governance. 🤣

He’s just self governanced the hell out of next years British GP. 

[mikebv]

1 minute ago, ouch said:

No self governance. 🤣

He’s just self governanced the hell out of next years British GP. 

Putting his money where his mouth is...

Makes perfect sense, given he runs Speedway at Ipswich and runs the GP series...

Hopefully he gets the track to deliver several racing lines as the GP lads don't make too many mistakes when in front....

But plenty of tracks on the GP circuit deliver poor racing and people still watch..

I presume the NSS and June 12 are entwined currently, however one night, with no extra seating, could be a tough profit maker, and admission charges for 4,500 or so would have to be on the very high side...

Plus many hotels in and around Manchester are already showing fully booked with Oasis being in town..

Maybe the NSS could negotiate a much reduced fee to run it?..

It could be possible if no one else wants to run one I would suggest...

Does Glasgow hold over 4,000? If so, maybe they may want to join the GP circus?...

At least if the GP doesn't get ran at the NSS then the Aces attendances should not be impacted like they have the last two years for those meetings leading up to it, and just after...

A new GP venue is always something to gain some interest, so best of luck to the venture...

 

 

[Aries]

October averages 

Lawson 6.80

King 7.35

Musielak 8.08

Brennan 5.91

Nicholls 5.79

A few takeaways here for me. You simply HAVE to include Brennan in a 2027 team on 5.91. We know he’s better than that and you can’t persevere all year with him struggling, only to allow another team to benefit on an artificially low average.

I wouldn’t have Lawson back and I don’t think many would after this years shenanigans, BUT, he’s another that’s seen his average drop by riding a position higher in our team than he should have been. He’ll actually make a decent signing for someone on that average.

The two standout this year have easily been King and Musielak. But, King has ran out of steam towards the end of this year in both leagues and his form has dipped, and he’s now on an average where if we do have real aspirations and ambitions, it’s time to cut ties I’m afraid and go in a different direction. He’s easily my Witches rider of the year though.

Tobi, I’m now a little uncomfortable on his average also. 6.63 up to 8.08. He’s seems to fluctuate between a 6+ average and an 8+ average and the time to pick him up, is after one of his poor years like we did this year. You’re not fitting in Tobi on that average, with two heatleaders above him so if he’s retained, he’ll be the number 1 or 5.

I know the immediate reaction of some will be you can’t leave him out he’s been brilliant, and he has, but you have to build smart and make difficult decisions if you want to win things and be successful.

If we now have the contacts and wherewithal to get the “big names” Coleman mentioned Saturday, then my opinion is we can do better than Musielak at 1 or 5 as harsh as that sounds. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Aries

[GeneralMelchett]

11 hours ago, mikebv said:

Putting his money where his mouth is...

Makes perfect sense, given he runs Speedway at Ipswich and runs the GP series...

Hopefully he gets the track to deliver several racing lines as the GP lads don't make too many mistakes when in front....

But plenty of tracks on the GP circuit deliver poor racing and people still watch..

I presume the NSS and June 12 are entwined currently, however one night, with no extra seating, could be a tough profit maker, and admission charges for 4,500 or so would have to be on the very high side...

Plus many hotels in and around Manchester are already showing fully booked with Oasis being in town..

Maybe the NSS could negotiate a much reduced fee to run it?..

It could be possible if no one else wants to run one I would suggest...

Does Glasgow hold over 4,000? If so, maybe they may want to join the GP circus?...

At least if the GP doesn't get ran at the NSS then the Aces attendances should not be impacted like they have the last two years for those meetings leading up to it, and just after...

A new GP venue is always something to gain some interest, so best of luck to the venture...

 

 

We need more than one GP in the UK - sadly none of the current 'stadia' really can come up to the capacity of Ipswich which can at hold 10k, NSS nice though it is and I am a big fan of the track and set up needs top be bigger for these events in my opinion. The Oasis thing for 2027 is a blow for the NSS if it can't happen but would imagine 2028 return - definitely maybe?

[Aries]

15 minutes ago, GeneralMelchett said:

We need more than one GP in the UK - sadly none of the current 'stadia' really can come up to the capacity of Ipswich which can at hold 10k, NSS nice though it is and I am a big fan of the track and set up needs top be bigger for these events in my opinion. The Oasis thing for 2027 is a blow for the NSS if it can't happen but would imagine 2028 return - definitely maybe?

I think this a point that those huffing and puffing and having a major meltdown that the GP is at “that sh!thole” need to understand. There’s currently issues around holding the GP at the NSS this year and it has to be held somewhere. Foxhall is one of the few with the infrastructure (with more redevelopment coming) to actually hold it. Even Glasgow isn’t yet ready by all accounts. 

[GeneralMelchett]

6 minutes ago, Aries said:

I think this a point that those huffing and puffing and having a major meltdown that the GP is at “that sh!thole” need to understand. There’s currently issues around holding the GP at the NSS this year and it has to be held somewhere. Foxhall is one of the few with the infrastructure (with more redevelopment coming) to actually hold it. Even Glasgow isn’t yet ready by all accounts. 

Too many people don't think or read about issues - the devil is always in the detail!!

[TTT]

1 hour ago, Aries said:

October averages 

Lawson 6.80

King 7.35

Musielak 8.08

Brennan 5.91

Nicholls 5.79

A few takeaways here for me. You simply HAVE to include Brennan in a 2027 team on 5.91. We know he’s better than that and you can’t persevere all year with him struggling, only to allow another team to benefit on an artificially low average.

I wouldn’t have Lawson back and I don’t think many would after this years shenanigans, BUT, he’s another that’s seen his average drop by riding a position higher in our team than he should have been. He’ll actually make a decent signing for someone on that average.

The two standout this year have easily been King and Musielak. But, King has ran out of steam towards the end of this year in both leagues and his form has dipped, and he’s now on an average where if we do have real aspirations and ambitions, it’s time to cut ties I’m afraid and go in a different direction. He’s easily my Witches rider of the year though.

Tobi, I’m now a little uncomfortable on his average also. 6.63 up to 8.08. He’s seems to fluctuate between a 6+ average and an 8+ average and the time to pick him up, is after one of his poor years like we did this year. You’re not fitting in Tobi on that average, with two heatleaders above him so if he’s retained, he’ll be the number 1 or 5.

I know the immediate reaction of some will be you can’t leave him out he’s been brilliant, and he has, but you have to build smart and make difficult decisions if you want to win things and be successful.

If we now have the contacts and wherewithal to get the “big names” Coleman mentioned Saturday, then my opinion is we can do better than Musielak at 1 or 5 as harsh as that sounds. 

I'd need to see a replacement like a British GP Rider, Emil Sayfutdinov, Jason Doyle or another established Heat Leader on these shores to consider dropping Musielak tbh.

I'm not keen on taking a punt on someone like Dudek for example as a Tobi replacement in case he flops on these shores.

Much like the Hellstrom-Bangs situation, Punt that backfired and left us as sitting ducks at reserve all season.

Edited 7 hours ago by TTT

[Aries]

9 minutes ago, TTT said:

I'd need to see a replacement like a British GP Rider, Emil Sayfutdinov, Jason Doyle or another established Heat Leader on these shores to consider dropping Musielak tbh.

I'm not keen on taking a punt on someone like Dudek for example as a Tobi replacement in case he flops on these shores.

Much like the Hellstrom-Bangs situation, Punt that backfired and left us as sitting ducks at reserve all season.

All about opinions T you won’t be alone here I’m sure. 
 

I ain’t having Tobi on 8.08 though. 

[ouch]

14 hours ago, Aries said:

 

 

1500 cars. Is it the annual onion festival?

[Bagpuss]

Well he's addressed two of my pet hates in that interview - guesting for your rivals and unmown centre greens. He'll do me.

He's essentially identified all the issues that fans have over a period of time but have been ignored about. I think he'll go down well with supporters if not promoters, but this opportunity simply has to be grasped by British speedway.

Edited 5 hours ago by Bagpuss

[Aries]

4 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

Well he's addressed two of my petrol hates in that interview - guesting for your rivals and unmown centre greens. He'll do me.

Hes essentially identified all the issue that fans have over a period of time but have been ignored about. I think He'll go down well with supporters if not promoters, but this opportunity simply has to be grasped by British speedway.

The frustrating thing is these are not even earth shattering things that are difficult to do. I even liked his comment that if guests are needed, the manager should have a spare set of club fork covers in his car so they seamlessly blend in. Again, really not difficult to do. 
 

There just seems to be a “can’t be @rsed” attitude amongst far too many people involved in running clubs in this country unfortunately. 

[cowboy cookie returns?]

Has anyone seen Godfrey & co since Coleman’s interview on Friday or are they still trying to get up after that knockout??
 

Coleman clearly knows the issues & with a very successful career in motorsport knows what’s needs to be done.

That interview was worlds apart from Godfrey in his caravan.

[Bagpuss]

16 minutes ago, Aries said:

The frustrating thing is these are not even earth shattering things that are difficult to do. I even liked his comment that if guests are needed, the manager should have a spare set of club fork covers in his car so they seamlessly blend in. Again, really not difficult to do. 
 

There just seems to be a “can’t be @rsed” attitude amongst far too many people involved in running clubs in this country unfortunately. 

Yep I noticed that too, I think hes right in what he says that too many people have done the same things for too long and are entrenched in a 'can't do' mindset rather than thinking that can, and should. The quote about growing the cake rather than just your own slice resonates too.....far too many clubs and owners want the slice of others to be smaller, or don't care.

And he's spot on that self governance is an absolute nonsense. 

[Steve Irving]

You’d be better off with this Godfrey than the one who’s currently in charge of organising the league structures and setting the rules

🤦🏻‍♂️

[Aries]

15 hours ago, SteveLyric2 said:

So a new owner/promoter comes along with his speedway fingers in several pies, spends some money, in fluences the British gp venue and puts forward some of his ideas for the future of British league speedway including no 'self governance'!! So he doesn't want to become the voice of the BSPL then?! 'Micro or macro'?

What the hell are you doing up here? Back down you go please. 
 

😛

[Bagpuss]

38 minutes ago, Aries said:

What the hell are you doing up here? Back down you go please. 
 

😛

It was only a matter of time before somebody from Poole piped up, their slice of cake has been bigger than most others for a fair while after all. 

[TTT]

3 hours ago, Aries said:

All about opinions T you won’t be alone here I’m sure. 
 

I ain’t having Tobi on 8.08 though. 

I can see your logic too because if rumours are true about Woryna then we'd have to go very top heavy to fit Musielak in as I think it'll be far too risky going with Tobi as a No.1.

Being top heavy would then open up a new debate in regards to a weak tail which has proved costly for top end Clubs on numerous occasions.

It's a tough decision that will probably come down to the points limit, I wouldn't want to be in Mayfield's position on this one tbh.

[Bald Bloke]

4 hours ago, Aries said:

What the hell are you doing up here? Back down you go please. 
 

😛

Yes, toodle pip back down to tier 2