CHAMPIONSHIP PLAY OFF FINAL - SCUNTHORPE v POOLE v SCUNTHORPE (2 & 7 October)

[Neila]

Well this subject rumbles on, dispite the fact that the SCB have confirmed an excludable offence took place, and Poole are cheats 😜 I wonder if Matt Ford , middlo or Mr Shovler will make a statement 🤔

[LisaColette]

40 minutes ago, Happy Hunter said:

Poole should let Scunthorpe have the trophy!

Now we have really entered fantasy land. They are never going to do that! 

[poole keith]

On the curb theme some moto gp circuits on some bend use what are called the "misano curbs"(named after circuit they were first used)which are curbs with slight corrugations enough to slow the riders down  so no advantage can be gained but still stay safe, might not be feasible in speedway or might be worth thinking about,will require a massive leap for speedway to drag itself out of the 1950s tho!

[Happy Hunter]

34 minutes ago, LisaColette said:

Now we have really entered fantasy land. They are never going to do that! 

I'm not expecting them to but what an opportunity for Poole to get some positive publicity for a change!

[lewy]

2 hours ago, Neila said:

Well this subject rumbles on, dispite the fact that the SCB have confirmed an excludable offence took place, and Poole are cheats 😜 I wonder if Matt Ford , middlo or Mr Shovler will make a statement 🤔

I sincerely hope the Poole pirate prince of porn never posts again on the forum if he does it just shows he clearly has no remorse or conscience. 

[lewy]

2 hours ago, Neila said:

Well this subject rumbles on, dispite the fact that the SCB have confirmed an excludable offence took place, and Poole are cheats 😜 I wonder if Matt Ford , middlo or Mr Shovler will make a statement 🤔

I sincerely hope the Poole pirate prince of porn never posts again on the forum if he does it just shows he clearly has no remorse or conscience. 

[Arthur54]

2 hours ago, Happy Hunter said:

Poole should let Scunthorpe have the trophy!

If the SCB have a picture confirming the back wheel did actually go over the line, I also think Scunthorpe should be handed the trophy, it just seems a hollow victory now 

[lewy]

4 minutes ago, Arthur54 said:

If the SCB have a picture confirming the back wheel did actually go over the line, I also think Scunthorpe should be handed the trophy, it just seems a hollow victory now 

Well done Arthur54 not Poole's fault but no kudos for winning the play-offs now. However Poole did finish top of the league 

 

[Neila]

50 minutes ago, Arthur54 said:

If the SCB have a picture confirming the back wheel did actually go over the line, I also think Scunthorpe should be handed the trophy, it just seems a hollow victory now 

Well one Poole fan can see how it is 😄  not win at all costs as others see  it  🤔

[Sir Sidney]

All the SCB needed to do was:

- make clear its interpretation of the regulations ( eg what it determines crossing to be)

- say what the ref considered and why that was wrong

- publish any video evidence it has relied upon.

Instead, all it has done is create even more discussion, not helped by its typographical error when it first published the news item ( by including the term 'admissable' instead of 'inadmissable' regarding any appeal. 

[Arthur54]

45 minutes ago, Sir Sidney said:

All the SCB needed to do was:

- make clear its interpretation of the regulations ( eg what it determines crossing to be)

- say what the ref considered and why that was wrong

- publish any video evidence it has relied upon.

Instead, all it has done is create even more discussion, not helped by its typographical error when it first published the news item ( by including the term 'admissable' instead of 'inadmissable' regarding any appeal. 

I still can't work out why the SCB had this meeting, and published there findings, if they were never going to reverse the result in the first place 

[Paul Johnson]

2 hours ago, Arthur54 said:

If the SCB have a picture confirming the back wheel did actually go over the line, I also think Scunthorpe should be handed the trophy, it just seems a hollow victory now 

His back wheel breached the inside of the white line...the edge next to the shale, he doesnt have to be fully over, its not football

[Sir Sidney]

7 minutes ago, Paul Johnson said:

His back wheel breached the inside of the white line...the edge next to the shale, he doesnt have to be fully over, its not football

And all the SCB needs to say is that is the interpretation, because clarity is required where the regulation does not make it clear. I'll bet the regulation is re-written for next year

For example: If you cross the road have you crossed it at the point you step off of the kerb or at the point you step up onto the kerb at the other side of the road? Id say the later. Between the two kerbs you are on the road. 

The speedway regulation says crossed not on

Lots of sports have different interpretations that involve lines. There is normally not much ambiguity.  

[Fortythirtyeight]

38 minutes ago, Arthur54 said:

I still can't work out why the SCB had this meeting, and published there findings, if they were never going to reverse the result in the first place 

Seems very strange as Godfrey has a position in all three parties….promoter of Scunthorpe, BSPL chairman and their liaison officer with the SCB !

On that basis alone why did they put in a protest ? You think Vatcher or someone in the SCB office ( is there anyone else ? ) would have advised him it was a waste of time thus making this press release even more absurd. 

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

34 minutes ago, Sir Sidney said:

And all the SCB needs to say is that is the interpretation, because clarity is required where the regulation does not make it clear. I'll bet the regulation is re-written for next year

For example: If you cross the road have you crossed it at the point you step off of the kerb or at the point you step up onto the kerb at the other side of the road? Id say the later. Between the two kerbs you are on the road. 

The speedway regulation says crossed not on

Lots of sports have different interpretations that involve lines. There is normally not much ambiguity.  

In Speedway the line belongs to the infield - on the line is off the track and should result in exclusion 

[Paul Johnson]

3 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

In Speedway the line belongs to the infield - on the line is off the track and should result in exclusion 

But people are confused we dont use football or tennis rules

[Sir Sidney]

26 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

In Speedway the line belongs to the infield - on the line is off the track and should result in exclusion 

 

26 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

In Speedway the line belongs to the infield - on the line is off the track and should result in exclusion 

I understand that could be the interpretation, but show me where it actually says that in the regs. 

[Gavan]

If the back wheel is on the line it’s an exclusion

Otherwise teams could make the white line 3 foot wide 

[Paul Johnson]

05.1.4 Infield The Infield must be kept clear of objects, except those specifically approved and designated on the Homologation Certificate. Equipment or machinery essential for the meeting must be kept or parked as close to the centre of the infield as possible, and in all cases not less than 10 metres from the inner edge of the track. Collapsible A-Frame or other ‘soft material’ advertising boards can be placed at least 4 metres from the track inner edge. On the track surface clearly marked lines, chalk is acceptable, are required: a) a continuous line to define the inner edge of the track circuit

Once his tyre passed the edge he should of been excluded

[Triple.H.]

Personally speaking, i don't think much blame can be put upon the referee, it's a poorly written rule that is open to so much on the spot analysis, hard to spot in the split second it took place and has any photo actually proven that ZC crossed the line, bearing in mind the rulebook does not clarify which is the edge of the track and how much of the wheel has to cross it to mean an offence. 

I'd say the rule should be rewritten along the lines of the wider part of the whiteline is the marking for the inside of the track, if both tyres touch the inner edge of the white line or further onto the offtrack area then an exclusion will be given unless it was due to taking avoiding action etc.