Belle Vue 2027

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

1 minute ago, siggysigalos said:

Can't speak on behalf of the other 6 you have named, but as we sit here today, Robert Lambert won't be riding in the UK next season for anybody, let alone Belle Vue, and that couldn't come from a more reliable source. But i agree with Phil, Dan Bewley will be back at Belle Vue and definitely nowhere else. Lots of Team Building already done, nobody wants to announce anything yet, but some teams i would expect are already complete, if not close.

If that is the case then BSPL/SCB/ACU needs to stick to their guns and revoke his licence, not consider him for any competition or nomination and move on

That then needs to be a permanent move - he may not need any of that now but if/when he may do in the future it has to still be in effect

[89buttons]

2 hours ago, PersonalResponsibility said:

What exactly is the angle in court?

Polish contract: you must limit your employment to ours and a maximum of 2 others = not a violation of human rights.

ACU licence: you must ride in British speedway to be granted start permission abroad with an ACU licence = violation of human rights...?

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There's no obligation to take out an ACU licence - I'm sure there's a lot of other federations who would happily allow him to take out a licence. However, as with Polish contracts, you have to deal with the consequences.

i don’t think it’s any violation of human rights whatsoever but it’s clearly an attempt to strong arm lambert and possibly one or two others and to what end? For them to say cheers then I’ll get a polish license next year best of luck in the SoN and World Cup going forward  

[mikebv]

3 hours ago, TTT said:

Massive Polish Zloty in exchange for power and control.

The Polish contract is a classic case of how much is your freedom worth to you when it comes to your Speedway career?

No point in any rider complaining about any ruling by the Polish because they've got no choice but to oblige once the ink is dry on the Polish contracts that they've personally signed.

He who pays the piper, calls the tune...

[bloom89]

2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

If that is the case then BSPL/SCB/ACU needs to stick to their guns and revoke his licence, not consider him for any competition or nomination and move on

That then needs to be a permanent move - he may not need any of that now but if/when he may do in the future it has to still be in effect

Lol don’t be silly, who can blame the lad if he doesn’t want to ride over here in derelict stadiums on rubbish tracks? He’s barely ridden over here the past few years and has became world champion. Let’s be honest the only reason Kurtz, Doyle and Holders ride here is because they live here. 
 

Going by your reasoning let’s stop Harry Kane, Antony Gordon and Jude Bellingham playing for England because they don’t play in the premier league. 

[PersonalResponsibility]

3 hours ago, 89buttons said:

i don’t think it’s any violation of human rights whatsoever but it’s clearly an attempt to strong arm lambert and possibly one or two others and to what end? For them to say cheers then I’ll get a polish license next year best of luck in the SoN and World Cup going forward  

It'll be a shame if they do that, but ultimately, so what? Winning the SoN and having a British World Champion - that doesn't ride here - has so far done very little to boost the standing of the sport in this country. If they choose to get a Polish licence, good for them, but at least we're doing what's best for us and trying to get some benefit.

[Trotter65]

Riders are self employed and look for the best deals to suit themselves just like any other self employed person…Lambert lives in Poland with a Polish partner and Polish born child…he has every right to ride there and not ride in England …if Britain choose not to pick him for the Speedway of Nations then that’s their choice but there is no way they would ever be able to stop him racing in Poland and in the GP

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

13 hours ago, bloom89 said:

Lol don’t be silly, who can blame the lad if he doesn’t want to ride over here in derelict stadiums on rubbish tracks? He’s barely ridden over here the past few years and has became world champion. Let’s be honest the only reason Kurtz, Doyle and Holders ride here is because they live here. 
 

Going by your reasoning let’s stop Harry Kane, Antony Gordon and Jude Bellingham playing for England because they don’t play in the premier league. 

This,and any regulation,isn't (or at least shouldn't) be about 1 rider now (Lambert)

At present this possibly has more impact on the likes of Rushen,Cairns etc

If it is considered important to provide stability then it should be introduced 

Comparison with football is pointless and irrelevant - although England Rugby did (possibly still do) have a similar policy meaning a few high profile players were not picked for the international side

 

[szkocjasid]

It's hard to plan teams without knowing the points limit / rules. But if it is a stronger league Ben Cook would be a good signing. Would fully expect him to up his average with the NSS as his home track.

[Bash]

If Lambert doesn't want to ride here let him, but don't let him ride in the British Final either

[Trotter65]

7 hours ago, Bash said:

If Lambert doesn't want to ride here let him, but don't let him ride in the British Final either

What benefit is that to anybody….more people are likely to attend to see the world champion appear…speedway is for the fans as well

[mikebv]

8 minutes ago, Trotter65 said:

What benefit is that to anybody….more people are likely to attend to see the world champion appear…speedway is for the fans as well

"Mark, the World Champ is on the phone, saying he can ride in the British Final to try and defend his title"...

"No, we will be better off without the World Champ there"..

.😁

 

[Steve Irving]

As expected, an expensive and fierce battle for the best under 21 riders. 3 way battle for Cairns, Belle Vue, Sheffield, Ipswich.

[PhilTheAce]

top 2 pretty much confirmed, so until we know the points limit then i have no idea who the others could be.

 

klindt on a low average and he put himself in the shop window, he is also going to be using a british license so will he get the deduction or not??? 

 

you would say ben cook is a shoe in, so we can get wins at home.

 

preferbly id take the same team as this year with bewley for doyle but sadly that wont be able to happen which is a crying shame

[Aries]

32 minutes ago, Steve Irving said:

As expected, an expensive and fierce battle for the best under 21 riders. 3 way battle for Cairns, Belle Vue, Sheffield, Ipswich.

Heard we’re in the mix for Cairns too. Coleman mentioned the financial issue of the reserves because naturally “we’ll all want the best ones”. With one having to be British, there is a very small pool of them actually good enough so the obvious four will be sought after. 
 

The sensible thing to do would be for all the promoters during their numerous meetings, agreeing a cap for the under 21 riders and nobody can go over it. 
 

Let as many clubs who want to meet that ceiling do so, and then let the riders choose where they want to go. 
 

I’ve heard some of the figures being offered to these youngsters are “eye watering” and above and beyond where they currently stand in the game but that was always going to be an issue. 

[PhilTheAce]

2 minutes ago, Aries said:

Heard we’re in the mix for Cairns too. Coleman mentioned the financial issue of the reserves because naturally “we’ll all want the best ones”. With one having to be British, there is a very small pool of them actually good enough so the obvious four will be sought after. 
 

The sensible thing to do would be for all the promoters during their numerous meetings, agreeing a cap for the under 21 riders and nobody can go over it. 
 

Let as many clubs who want to meet that ceiling do so, and then let the riders choose where they want to go. 
 

I’ve heard some of the figures being offered to these youngsters are “eye watering” and above and beyond where they currently stand in the game but that was always going to be an issue. 

a salary cap means nothing when brown envelopes will just be placed in there pockets

[Steve Irving]

3 minutes ago, Aries said:

The sensible thing to do would be for all the promoters during their numerous meetings, agreeing a cap for the under 21 riders and nobody can go over it. 
 

Let as many clubs who want to meet that ceiling do so, and then let the riders choose where they want to go. 

Ideal in theory but impossible to police. You’ll always get people agreeing to such restrictions, then privately offering them all sorts of sweeteners to get them at their  club. 

[Steve Irving]

2 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said:

a salary cap means nothing when brown envelopes will just be placed in there pockets

Exactly this. 

[PhilTheAce]

wouldnt shock me to see ace pijper as our reserve next year

[Aries]

1 minute ago, PhilTheAce said:

wouldnt shock me to see ace pijper as our reserve next year

Has the right name at least! 
 

😁
 

Still have a hunch that Brennan could be an Ace as well. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Aries

[Aries]

6 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said:

a salary cap means nothing when brown envelopes will just be placed in there pockets

 

4 minutes ago, Steve Irving said:

Ideal in theory but impossible to police. You’ll always get people agreeing to such restrictions, then privately offering them all sorts of sweeteners to get them at their  club. 

I guess so. Forget the heatleaders next year, you could find the title being won and lost at reserve. 
 

There’ll be one or two who’ll look ridiculously strong, and others who’ll be badly exposed.