ch958 2,395 Posted April 8, 2017 does anyone know any stories of riders who were either great pals or , more interestingly perhaps, sworn enemies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The White Knight 9,039 Posted April 8, 2017 does anyone know any stories of riders who were either great pals or , more interestingly perhaps, sworn enemies Friends = Jack Millen and Jim Wells. Both Sunderland 'Stars'. Enemies = Jack Millen and Frank Auffret. Auffret Teeside 'Tigers'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hawkeyenz 38 Posted April 9, 2017 Enemies. Malcolm Ballard vs the brothers Kennett in the 1971 Second Half Finals at Eastbourne Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ch958 2,395 Posted April 9, 2017 Friends = Jack Millen and Jim Wells. Both Sunderland 'Stars'. Enemies = Jack Millen and Frank Auffret. Auffret Teeside 'Tigers'. oh yes - i witnessed this on a few occasions 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BOBBATH 467 Posted April 9, 2017 Enemies- Ivor Brown and Ivan Mauger in the Provincial League. Clive Featherby and Ronnie Genz(and just about everybody). Peter Collins and Kenny Carter, also Kenny Carter and just about any American. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted April 9, 2017 Enemies- Ivor Brown and Ivan Mauger in the Provincial League. Clive Featherby and Ronnie Genz(and just about everybody). Peter Collins and Kenny Carter, also Kenny Carter and just about any American.I thought Carter got on very well with both Moran's ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,362 Posted April 9, 2017 Enemies - Martin Dugard and Brian Karger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keef robin 551 Posted April 9, 2017 Nicky Pedersen and everyone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted April 9, 2017 Hans Nielsen and Ole Olsen weren't exactly on the best of terms when Olsen became Denmark boss in 1985. Not sure of any issues when they were both riding though. Also, Steve Bastable wasn't a popular visitor to Plough Lane after he fenced Rudy Muts in 1979. Sadly, Rudy was never the same rider after breaking his neck in the accident. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BOBBATH 467 Posted April 9, 2017 I thought Carter got on very well with both Moran's ? Think you are right Sidney-I referred to the excellent book "Tragedy" by TMC and on p.128 it confirms that-apparently Kenny didn't have any use for Penhall, Bobby Schwartz and Dennis Sigalos.but got along with the Morans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norbold 7,109 Posted April 9, 2017 Ove Fundin and Barry Briggs. Enemies on the track; friends off it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted April 10, 2017 Think you are right Sidney-I referred to the excellent book "Tragedy" by TMC and on p.128 it confirms that-apparently Kenny didn't have any use for Penhall, Bobby Schwartz and Dennis Sigalos.but got along with the Morans.Funny thing "BOBBATH" is i have plenty of pictures of Carter/Penhall together all smiles then so i dont think there relationship was always bad.And i can always remember Schwartz who were hardly friends having the grace to shake Carter's hand after winning the pairs with PC a great gesture i thought.Anyway you would probably know "BOBBATH" was there any truth in the Mauger Ivor Brown feud or was that a myth.? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted April 10, 2017 Funny thing "BOBBATH" is i have plenty of pictures of Carter/Penhall together all smiles then so i dont think there relationship was always bad.And i can always remember Schwartz who were hardly friends having the grace to shake Carter's hand after winning the pairs with PC a great gesture i thought.Anyway you would probably know "BOBBATH" was there any truth in the Mauger Ivor Brown feud or was that a myth.? In Ivan's first biography 'Triple Crown Plus' he refers to a rider he hated but not by name. When Ivor Brown died Mauger did then quote his name as the rider he was referring to...he also kept a little black book apparently with name listed if I recall. I thought Carter got on very well with both Moran's ? Apparently Carter hated Hans Nielsen for an incident that happened at the Shay...but then didn't Carter make a habit of making enemies generally. I admired, of sorts, his on track prowess but as a person disliked him. Visited his grave recently and I didn't feel any emotion other than numbness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted April 10, 2017 In Ivan's first biography 'Triple Crown Plus' he refers to a rider he hated but not by name. When Ivor Brown died Mauger did then quote his name as the rider he was referring to...he also kept a little black book apparently with name listed if I recall. Apparently Carter hated Hans Nielsen for an incident that happened at the Shay...but then didn't Carter make a habit of making enemies generally. I admired, of sorts, his on track prowess but as a person disliked him. Visited his grave recently and I didn't feel any emotion other than numbness. He did have a gripe against Nielsen and he was very pleased when he beat Nielsen for the helmet.That day along with his brilliant BLRC wins showed how good he really was.He totally destroyed Nielsen at the Shay, and the Carter Dvd is worth getting for the footage against Nielsen/Lee in the Helmet a brilliant Dvd the best i have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,984 Posted April 10, 2017 From somewhere i seem to have a feeling Gerd Riss and Robert Barth didn't get along..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
