geoff100 1,426 Posted January 30, 2020 3 hours ago, foamfence said: It just seems as if we're existing to serve Poland and Sweden, there are very few Southern Hemisphere riders going straight into their leagues without first using this place as a stepping stone. Who pays their air fares if they come here and later in the season join a continental club? Obviously a club shouldn't have to guarantee places to riders who it doesn't think are worthy of them but at the same time it's madness to deny British riders racing at some level, do the Poles do that with their lower order riders? Have often thought who pays out more on vans etc to riders alot seem to sign to championship clubs then double up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,780 Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Sherborne Green said: There appears to be a great number of people who do not like the fact Poole have signed two Aussies. Lets just look at the other teams in this league. Berwick 2 from UK, 2 Aussies,1 Fin,1Dane, 1 Finland Birmingham 5 from UK, 1 Sweden, 1Italy Eastborne 7 from UK Edinburgh 3 from UK, 3 Aussies, 1 Dane Glasgow 1 from UK, 2from USA, 2 Danes, 2 Aussies Kent 5 from UK, 1 Aussie, 1 Italy Leicester 4 from UK, 3 Aussies Newcastle 3 from UK, 1 Dane, 1 Aussie, 1 Slov, 1 CZ Poole 4 from UK, 3 Aussies Redcar 3 from UK, 1 Germany, 2 Danes, 1 Aussie Scunthorpe 4 from UK, 1 Fin,1 Dane, 1 Aussie Somerset 4 from UK, 1 NZ, 2 Aussies I don’t think people are unhappy with Poole necessarily, more the system which allows them to have two Aussie reserves while there are equivalent Brits unemployed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted January 30, 2020 41 minutes ago, Hodgy said: If you’re good enough, you’re good enough. Prove it. Greaves started 2019 on 3.99 and finished on 4.61. MacDonald started on 4 and finished under 4. Which is more deserving of a CL place? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poolebolton 464 Posted January 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, DC2 said: Greaves started 2019 on 3.99 and finished on 4.61. MacDonald started on 4 and finished under 4. Which is more deserving of a CL place? he was quite along way above 4 then went to the 2 spot and dropped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, poolebolton said: he was quite along way above 4 then went to the 2 spot and dropped. Was he? I’ve just flicked through the Sheffield green sheets on the BSPA site and it looks like MacDonald stayed at reserve on his 4 point assessed average all season. Hang on, he did get up to 4.36 in GSA issue 31 at the end of August, then fell back below 4 by the end of September. Edited January 30, 2020 by DC2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryW 1,178 Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Sherborne Green said: Edinburgh 3 from UK, 3 Aussies, 1 Dane Pedantic, I know, but Edinburgh have 1 Norwegian not 1 Dane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crescent girl 1,905 Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Sherborne Green said: There appears to be a great number of people who do not like the fact Poole have signed two Aussies. Lets just look at the other teams in this league. Berwick 2 from UK, 2 Aussies,1 Fin,1Dane, 1 Finland Birmingham 5 from UK, 1 Sweden, 1Italy Eastborne 7 from UK Edinburgh 3 from UK, 3 Aussies, 1 Dane Glasgow 1 from UK, 2from USA, 2 Danes, 2 Aussies Kent 5 from UK, 1 Aussie, 1 Italy Leicester 4 from UK, 3 Aussies Newcastle 3 from UK, 1 Dane, 1 Aussie, 1 Slov, 1 CZ Poole 4 from UK, 3 Aussies Redcar 3 from UK, 1 Germany, 2 Danes, 1 Aussie Scunthorpe 4 from UK, 1 Fin,1 Dane, 1 Aussie Somerset 4 from UK, 1 NZ, 2 Aussies Just to correct the above. Berwick have no Finns, but do have an Austrian and an Argentinian. Edinburgh don't have a Dane, but do have a Norwegian. Glasgow have one "Australian" who has dual nationality -- as do Leicester and Somerset! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poolebolton 464 Posted January 30, 2020 31 minutes ago, DC2 said: Was he? I’ve just flicked through the Sheffield green sheets on the BSPA site and it looks like MacDonald stayed at reserve on his 4 point assessed average all season. Hang on, he did get up to 4.36 in GSA issue 31 at the end of August, then fell back below 4 by the end of September. rode at 2 for a number of meetings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gazzac 1,015 Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sherborne Green said: There appears to be a great number of people who do not like the fact Poole have signed two Aussies. Lets just look at the other teams in this league. Berwick 2 from UK, 2 Aussies,1 Fin,1Dane, 1 Finland Birmingham 5 from UK, 1 Sweden, 1Italy Eastborne 7 from UK Edinburgh 3 from UK, 3 Aussies, 1 Dane Glasgow 1 from UK, 2from USA, 2 Danes, 2 Aussies Kent 5 from UK, 1 Aussie, 1 Italy Leicester 4 from UK, 3 Aussies Newcastle 3 from UK, 1 Dane, 1 Aussie, 1 Slov, 1 CZ Poole 4 from UK, 3 Aussies Redcar 3 from UK, 1 Germany, 2 Danes, 1 Aussie Scunthorpe 4 from UK, 1 Fin,1 Dane, 1 Aussie Somerset 4 from UK, 1 NZ, 2 Aussies Congratulations to Eastbourne, managed to do it 2 seasons in a row, even replacing Tom Brennen after his dreadful injury with Kyle Newman, and retaining both this year. May come up just short on winning anything again this season, but I can guarantee this team relates to the fans especially the youngsters with 3 British youngsters in the team probably better than any other, and if we do lose at home, it will always be an exciting, tight match. Edited January 30, 2020 by gazzac 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted January 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, poolebolton said: rode at 2 for a number of meetings. Yes, he did: four! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hodgy 976 Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, DC2 said: Greaves started 2019 on 3.99 and finished on 4.61. MacDonald started on 4 and finished under 4. Which is more deserving of a CL place? So why wasn’t he chosen? Stood still for a few years - improved in a weaker league. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Blobby 2,662 Posted January 30, 2020 Teams would rather take the risk of bringing in a fresh face from abroad that they hope will go from being a 4 point rider to a heat leader within 2/3 seasons than sign up a Brit who you know what you’re getting with and probably aren’t going to hit those heights. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Hodgy said: So why wasn’t he chosen? Stood still for a few years - improved in a weaker league. Don’t know, but he’s only 21. Are you happy to give every 21 year old 4.61 rider the boot? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gazzac 1,015 Posted January 30, 2020 33 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said: Teams would rather take the risk of bringing in a fresh face from abroad that they hope will go from being a 4 point rider to a heat leader within 2/3 seasons than sign up a Brit who you know what you’re getting with and probably aren’t going to hit those heights. So are you writing off the hopes of the likes of Flint, Brennen, Kemp, Edwards etc even now ? Can't believe its not beyond the realms of possibility that some or all may be at least at the level Bewley is now in 2/3 seasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hodgy 976 Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, DC2 said: Don’t know, but he’s only 21. Are you happy to give every 21 year old 4.61 rider the boot? It’s not my decision and surely the Ozzie’s can’t be cheaper. What’s the age of the current WC and how long has he been challenging On the big stage? Averages are the nemesis for British riders. Always have been. The better you do you risk riding yourself out of a job. Edited January 30, 2020 by Hodgy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites