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I used to watch the Colts for a tenner, with my then teenage lad, getting in for free... On a Friday night... With crowds of around 800... The racing was more than on a par with what was getting served up at top league level, and, for the two of us, was around £12 cheaper... Hence, we watched the Colts for more than the Aces... And, given most people in Manchester wouldn't have know their Matej Zagar from their Kyle Bickley, anyone new to the sport would have seen the racing for what it was... ie "the racing".. Personally instead of promoters clubbing together to put out a sixth team, they would be far better clubbing together and marketing a 14 team league with teams across the nation... At what level? "Reasonable"... As the audience they would be trying to attract probably won't know any of the competitors, so "big names" would mean absolutely nothing to them.. Time to "Rip it up and start again"...

Then you woke up.🤔

Sad news RIP condolences to the family

I see that you say matt ford made a mistake with his admission prices last season,but very difficult to know where to pitch prices for leisure events especially in these times,actually nobody knows the right answer but the owners have got to call it as they see it.(no doubt clive you will have to have the last say,but the trap is set! haha)

Can't say things like this you'll upset poor little Toshy Woshy 🤣

Still alive, got a roof over my head and food in the cupboard.

tbf I don't think anybody else is interested... we have enough of our own problems to discuss without expending energy on Poland's first world problems. And some clubs do crow, instead of looking at themselves they reach for the gun and hold it to the fans heads, instead of running to a budget they can afford in a league that is sustainable for them on a race night that brings in their best crowd.

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They don't crow, They just go public with the truth when fans give up on their team after losing a few meetings and fans always say that they want to know the truth. The Clubs put the money in before a wheel has been turned knowing that they're far more likely to make a loss than break even in order to put on the best product that British Speedway can offer in it's darkest of days. We've got Polish threads on here but other than me, Nobody dares to speak the truth about a number of similarites to British Speedway.

It was what happened, don't think it is now though and the number of MDL sides would reflect that. If anything the volunteers who were doing things for the love of the sport were pushed/priced out by those who wanted the credit for themselves.......PJL anyone?

Based on starting 1-7's that lets face it mean nothing as hardly any will actually stay the same due to injuries / form but... 1. Poole 2. Oxford 3. Glasgow 4. Plymouth 5. Worky 6. Edinburgh 7. Berwick 8. Redcar 9. Scunthorpe Think 4th, 5th and 6th could go to any one of the three there and hope Plymouth sneak it

I don't think that this is true at the lower levels. My experiences in the MDL some years ago suggests that this is exactly what happens, despite the total indifference of the promoters.

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Crikey must have had a good day somewhere? Last season might not have felt like a disaster but with newbies starting on a 2.00 this season thats quite an extra chunk of points used up.

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Decent expenses rates would feature pretty highly. The number who actually do it "for the love of the sport" are far fewer than many like to make out

Respect to them until the ** go up and they start crowing about if you don't come you'll lose it or worse still go bust mid season, then they're left with an "asset" that nobody wants to buy... and that must sound familiar, especially to you guys currently down in Suffolk. And you don't see much criticism of the Polish operating model on this forum as it's the British Speedway Forum and most are posting about the issues facing British clubs and not Polish ones.

usually they're cheap and won't speak out of turn 🤣

Big surprises in store according to Rob Godrey in his recent interview on 360 speedway podcast.

Leicester want to put on the best product that British Speedway can offer despite the financial costs involved, Respect to them. Also I don't see any criticism on this forum in regards to Polish Clubs and Ekstraliga Speedway where certain Owners run their Clubs financially into the ground and then rely on other people to financially bail them out.

There are riders available and fans will soon get use to a new normal. There will probably be a steep drop off in attendance as a £20-£25 admission charge may seem high for what’s on offer but that will be offset by the lower wage bill. More clubs will no doubt be lost to the sport as will riders who feel a big reduction in fixtures doesn’t pay well enough. We need to stop with this obsession of being better and having the best grace our tracks and just deliver a level the fans demanded and deserve and leave the cream of the sport to Poland and the other speedway nations whilst we run our semi professional events. At the end of the day it’s still four lads doing four laps. Connor Mountain Freddy Hodder Jake Mulford Jack Smith Sam Hagon Harry Fletcher Billy Budd V Jordan Jenkins Ace Piper Paul Starke Vinnie Ford Simon Lambert Eli Meadows Sam Woods

Because, errrr. Because errrr. Because errrr.... Oh Yes..... WE HAVE. TO HAVE TWO PROFESSIONAL LEAGUES, THAT'S WHY, END OF!!!!"... (Remembered it in the end).... I presume having two professional leagues is just another "necessary evil"?... Like "guests", and "doubling up", and bringing over dozens and dozens of journeymen after journeymen from abroad down the years, on five point averages, rather than developing UK riders and giving them team place opportunities.. Oh, and add in riding on nights to accommodate your employees wishes, rather than your customers... So many "necessary evils".... In fact, I am amazed any promotion could lose money given such a fantastic, fit for success, operating model...

Plus roughly 30% higher costs and running on a night that doesn't suit your customers but as others have said theres no easy fix as far as racenights go as the riders hold the cards. So at the moment you either have speedway run on unattractive nights for punters and the poor old owner underwrites the losses or you switch to a night where you have a fighting chance of breaking even but probably half the riders would clear off from UK as it wouldn't fit around their plans.

We know there are problems with speedway helping itself due to all the problems that have been allowed to build up over the last 2-3 decades but that is the number one issue in my book run on the best night for your customers but unfortunately the current set up is run on the best night for the employees which equals bigger losses and probably no jobs for the employees 3-5 years down the line.

What you describe here may well be inevitable - no disagreements from me on that score But that is very different from the Championship can survive without the Premiership - in that new scenario the only thing surviving is the name....